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    Default Raise, Call, Fold?

    This seems to happen to me alot I think I have the best hand. I raise, get called, get raised, call, get raised and fold. What do I do in situations like this do I call the river bet or just fold on the turn? I just sat down at this table a few hands ago, and I don't know why I limped here, probably miss clicked but anyway.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG+1 ($11.50)
    MP1 ($43.55)
    MP2 ($14)
    MP3 ($25)
    CO ($9.40)
    Hero ($24.65)
    SB ($25.50)
    BB ($25.10)
    UTG ($12.30)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 9.
    UTG calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($1) T, 5, A (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.75, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75.

    Turn: ($3.25) 2 (3 players)
    SB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.

    River: ($9.25) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $7, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $16.25

    One more, agian only a few hands in. When do I call or fold here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    SB ($9.75)
    BB ($7.10)
    UTG ($28.05)
    MP1 ($29.60)
    Hero ($24.75)
    CO ($9.50)
    Button ($23)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K.
    UTG calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.25, CO raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 raises to $29.6, Hero calls $23.50 (All-In), CO calls $4.50 (All-In).

    Flop: ($64.45) 8, 3, T (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($64.45) 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($64.45) T (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $64.45
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    First hand--If you insist on playing A9o, don't limp it on the button in an unraised pot. I probably give it up on the turn. Pot is not big enough for a pissing match.

    Second hand--You are up against QQ/JJ/TT/AK as often as you are AA at $25 NL. I call this as well. It could even be AQ/AJ trying to isolate against shorty. NH sir. Not to say I haven't destacked by doing this a few times, but I think at this level, unless you have a read or stats saying opp is a total rock, I call it all day.
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    Hand 1: Yeah, sometimes I ignore the fact that I really shouldn't play Ax, and then it gets me in trouble. I'd only stay in with a read that he likes to stay in with Ax. SB, being out of position, would have been correct to limp A10-AK preflop, I think.

    Hand 2: MP1 min-raised, then after two reraises, goes all-in. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have AA. Either that or he just sucks, but even if he does suck, you've got CO to worry about.
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    hand2 is a non-decision. Get all the chips in the middle at 25nl regardless here imo
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    I think it is against God's master plan to fold KK preflop at $25 NL
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    Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awaji E
    Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
    At 25nl AJo is a MONSTER and people will push ai with it..... don't fold hand 2.
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    Wait a minute, there, buster...LOL
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    OK so just to let you know on the second hand both players had AA.
    The first hand is the one I'm really concerned about. What should i do in situations like this post flop, when I have hands like TPTK and what not? What do I do on the turn when a brick falls, or a scare card? What about the river? When do i stay with the hand and when do I let it go?
    Here's a simular type of hand.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    BB ($13.15)
    UTG ($42.40)
    UTG+1 ($24.40)
    MP1 ($18.90)
    Hero ($25.10)
    CO ($28.15)
    Button ($27.45)
    SB ($20.20)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, K.
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75, MP1 folds.

    Flop: ($2.35) K, Q, T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2.

    Turn: ($6.35) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4.5, BB calls $4.50.

    River: ($15.35) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $5.65, Hero calls $0.65.

    Final Pot: $26.65
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by cardsman1992
    First hand--If you insist on playing A9o, don't limp it on the button in an unraised pot.
    It's fine. I thought the turn call was worse.
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    Why not raise PF when you likely have the best hand?

    Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?

    I don't think I call the flop, if I'm not willing to follow through on the turn.

    I don't think 2 of spades helped. What do you put villain on?
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    Hand 3 I would check behind on river. Flop and turn look ok to me.

    That may be weaksauce, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardsman1992
    Why not raise PF when you likely have the best hand?
    GREAT QUESTION!

    Quote Originally Posted by cardsman1992
    Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?
    Why on earth would you like him play his hand almost correctly against you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Got Me Wrong
    River: ($15.35) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks behind to cut his loses because he is beat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awaji E
    Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
    Two examples from last night. I got all in preflop with a half buyin the first time. He has AQo. The second time I had 5 buy ins on the table I was on and I got in against a $13 stack and a $20 stack ($25 table). One guy has JJ and one guy has AT soooted. Doesn't matter that the first guy sucks out a straight with my third K, and doesn't matter I lost the second hand to 3 jacks AND a A high flush. I was 72% favorite in the first hand when the money went in and a 55/29/16 favorite when the money went in on the second hand. I made the correct decision.

    Moral....NEVER fold KK preflop at low stakes without a WSOP-worthy read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by cardsman1992
    Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?
    Why on earth would you like him play his hand almost correctly against you?
    Do you put him on a set or AT? I know we are behind to either one....
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