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    Ok. I am like having a very bad time of it right now. So much so i have called it a day for at least a week, more likely a month.These are three typical plays of mine
    Anything wrong? ANything im missing? If its just im making the right play then plz say so coz i am really miffed! right now

    ame #1137307384: Hold'em NL (£0.25/£0.50) - 2005/12/21 - 01:48:21 (ET)
    Table "Nashira" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 3: aaron22 (£6.80 in chips)
    Seat 4: Stevenp (£34.03 in chips)
    Seat 5: Miffed (£53.85 in chips)
    Stevenp: posts small blind £0.25
    Miffed: posts big blind £0.50
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Miffed [7c 6s]
    aaron22: raises to £1
    Stevenp: folds
    Miffed: calls £0.50
    ----- FLOP ----- [4c 7s 6d]
    Miffed: checks
    aaron22: bets £5.80 and is all-in
    Miffed: calls £5.80
    ----- TURN ----- [4c 7s 6d][3s]
    ----- RIVER ----- [4c 7s 6d 3s][5d]
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    aaron22: shows [Kc 8c] (A Straight, Eight high)
    Miffed: shows [7c 6s] (A Straight, Seven high)
    aaron22 collects £13.20 from Main pot
    ----- SUMMARY -----
    Total pot £13.85 Main pot £13.20 Rake £0.65
    Board [4c 7s 6d 3s 5d]
    Seat 3: aaron22 (button) showed [Kc 8c] and won (£13.20) with A Straight, Eight high
    Seat 4: Stevenp (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Miffed (big blind) lost
    ****HAND ENDS****

    This is more of a gambool, although i felt like all my outs were winners when i pushed (ok aces and kings werent) but again i get 5%ered. I play like this and its how i make money. ANything wrong? I dont mind if you dont like the gambOOl nature

    ame #1137267694: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/12/21 - 01:34:20 (ET)
    Table "Persimmon" Seat 1 is the button.
    Seat 1: Alyosha ($45.95 in chips)
    Seat 2: Miffed ($11.75 in chips)
    Seat 3: Capris sits out
    Seat 4: xPISTONSx ($40.70 in chips)
    Seat 5: henneris ($39.09 in chips)
    Seat 6: myrake31 ($71.20 in chips)
    Miffed: posts small blind $0.25
    xPISTONSx: posts big blind $0.50
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to Miffed [Kd Ac]
    henneris: calls $0.50
    myrake31: folds
    Alyosha: calls $0.50
    Miffed: raises to $2
    xPISTONSx: calls $1.50
    henneris: calls $1.50
    Alyosha: folds
    ----- FLOP ----- [3c 5c 2c]
    Miffed: bets $2
    xPISTONSx: raises to $6
    henneris: calls $6
    Miffed: raises to $9.75 and is all-in
    xPISTONSx: calls $3.75
    henneris: calls $3.75
    ----- TURN ----- [3c 5c 2c][9c]
    xPISTONSx: checks
    henneris: checks
    ----- RIVER ----- [3c 5c 2c 9c][3s]
    xPISTONSx: bets $15
    henneris: raises to $27.34 and is all-in
    xPISTONSx: calls $12.34
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    henneris: shows [2s 2h] (A Full House, Twos full of Threes)
    Miffed: shows [Kd Ac] (A Flush, Ace high)
    xPISTONSx: shows [3d 2d] (A Full House, Threes full of Twos)
    xPISTONSx collects $53.43 from Side pot #1
    xPISTONSx collects $34 from Main pot
    ----- SUMMARY -----
    Total pot $90.43 Main pot $34 Side pot #1 $53.43 | Rake $3
    Board [3c 5c 2c 9c 3s]
    Seat 1: Alyosha (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Miffed (small blind) lost
    Seat 4: xPISTONSx (big blind) showed [3d 2d] and won ($87.43) with A Full House, Threes full of Twos
    Seat 6: myrake31 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    ****HAND ENDS****
  2. #2
    Looks good to me. The first hand looks like overcards or maybe overpair so you just got bad beat. The second hand I'd have folded on the flop to the raise and call, but it was a good spot to gamble and maybe triple up. You were behind when you pushed, though, so I wouldn't call that a bad beat.

    I'd sit down at a table with those players.
  3. #3
    First hand is an easy call. Its fine.

    Second hand I don't like. This looks like tilting your stack in to me. After you get raised on the flop you have no fold equity regardless of their cards so basicall you just put your stack in on a flush draw and 2 overs.

    I figure the raiser for an overpair and he doesn't want the flush to get there but when henneris smooth calls the raise I know my overs are no good. I fold to that raise on the flop. But then again with your stack I suppose the gambol isn't too bad.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by iRICHeyes
    First hand is an easy call. Its fine.

    Second hand I don't like. This looks like tilting your stack in to me.
    I was going to say the same thing. When on a downnswing (and possibly cold cards), it's hard to lay down preflop monsters postflop because you feel entitled to getting paid off. You'll tend to push very small edges or even edges that aren't there. You pretty much ingnored the other player's bets on this one. We've all done it. Stopping it is the first step to getting back on track. This is more gambool than poker and when you are on a downswing, you need to start playing good poker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r8ed
    Quote Originally Posted by iRICHeyes
    First hand is an easy call. Its fine.

    Second hand I don't like. This looks like tilting your stack in to me.
    I was going to say the same thing. When on a downnswing (and possibly cold cards), it's hard to lay down preflop monsters postflop because you feel entitled to getting paid off. You'll tend to push very small edges or even edges that aren't there. You pretty much ingnored the other player's bets on this one. We've all done it. Stopping it is the first step to getting back on track. This is more gambool than poker and when you are on a downswing, you need to start playing good poker.
    point taken.
    I think not folding in marginal situations like this is both a partial leak but also part of the game i play. I take your point seriously although i wouldnt have pushed here unless i thought i had outs to the flush and gutshot.
    My playing style makes me very swingy so pushing this edge is not what id consider an waful play, but certainly its very boarderline.
    Still the comments are appreciated and whil i take a break i will have to consider giving these types of hand up
  6. #6
    I agree with the first hand. Call.

    Second hand I think is pure gambool. I think for this play to be any good at all your overcards need to be capable of winning the hand should you hit TP and I don't that is the case here. On the flop I would think the minimum hand winning this is a straight. Fold.
    Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
  7. #7
    Looks good to me. First hand is standard. You got your money in with the best of it. Don't worry about the results. Second hand, I don't think you really can fold this with your short stack. You have the 2 biggest overs, the nut flush draw, and a gutshot. Granted you have no fold equity, but you have enough outs to make you a favorite against a one pair hand. And I don't see why your A's or K's would be dead here.When you sit with a short stack, you must be willing to gamble more, which means more variance.

    PS: Why are you sitting with such a short stack anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
    Looks good to me. First hand is standard. You got your money in with the best of it. Don't worry about the results. Second hand, I don't think you really can fold this with your short stack. You have the 2 biggest overs, the nut flush draw, and a gutshot. Granted you have no fold equity, but you have enough outs to make you a favorite against a one pair hand. And I don't see why your A's or K's would be dead here.When you sit with a short stack, you must be willing to gamble more, which means more variance.

    PS: Why are you sitting with such a short stack anyway?
    I was realoading after a suckout previous hand, so i was waiting for te chips! This always fricking happens to me
    Ive just taken another look at this. While i have almost zero fold equity on the flop i cn call the fop bet with odds and outs anyway. Then i can push the turn when i hit. Thats the crtical element to playing thsi hand badly i think. Then at least opps have to consider they are seeing the final card way behind, and with few outs. But as said, i have little fold equity and being the fish they were they will make the call not beleiveing the table tagg has the nut flush.
    After that, i think i can argue that i play the hand right and got my money in ahead. WHich lately has been the case despite the downswing. Thanks for the imput guys. Looking at this a third time ahs let me spot the mistake. Its a big pot but 4 into a $20 pot is odds to call here

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