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  1. #1

    Default Slowplaying AA a good move?

    Last night in a MPT satellite I figured I would give slowplaying the AA a try. My first attempt failed bad, preflop I raised the pot (30/60) to 150 preflop. To my disgust, 7 of the other 8 at my table called. To make things worse the flop comes 5, 6, 7 all hearts (which I was not holding Ah) and the BB raises 700. Smelling defeat, I tucked my tail between my legs and mucked the bulls.

    Same tourney, and shortly after with the blinds still at 30/60, I get yet another AA in the pocket. This time not wanting to be slaughtered again, I PFR too 500. Everyone folds *Sigh*

    Later in the same tourney, I got AA in the pocket, but this time when the stakes where much higher. Here is the history of these that I slowplayed and manged to clean house.

    PokerStars Game #541032601: Tournament #2039079, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2004/07/12 - 23:20:11 (ET)
    Table '2039079 65' Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: pittdmb (38463 in chips) Seat 2: bobberman (5430 in chips) Seat 3: eddybo (19106 in chips) Seat 4: dollardoc (11295 in chips) Seat 5: humanhilite (40115 in chips) Seat 6: KewlKatt (53340 in chips) Seat 7: Molman (4350 in chips) Seat 8: BCinNY (35857 in chips) Seat 9: DALLASDEMO (16819 in chips) pittdmb: posts the ante 50
    bobberman: posts the ante 50
    eddybo: posts the ante 50
    dollardoc: posts the ante 50
    humanhilite: posts the ante 50
    KewlKatt: posts the ante 50
    Molman: posts the ante 50
    BCinNY: posts the ante 50
    DALLASDEMO: posts the ante 50
    humanhilite: posts small blind 300
    KewlKatt: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to KewlKatt [Ah As]
    Molman: folds BCinNY: folds DALLASDEMO: calls 600
    pittdmb: folds bobberman: folds eddybo: calls 600
    dollardoc: calls 600
    humanhilite: folds KewlKatt: raises 900 to 1500
    DALLASDEMO: calls 900
    eddybo: calls 900
    dollardoc: calls 900
    *** FLOP *** [7s Ad Th]
    KewlKatt: checks
    DALLASDEMO: checks
    eddybo: checks
    dollardoc: bets 1200
    KewlKatt: calls 1200
    DALLASDEMO: folds
    eddybo: folds
    *** TURN *** [7s Ad Th] [2s]
    KewlKatt: checks dollardoc: bets 1800
    KewlKatt: raises 1800 to 3600
    dollardoc: calls 1800
    *** RIVER *** [7s Ad Th 2s] [3h]
    KewlKatt: bets 6000
    dollardoc: folds KewlKatt collected 16350 from pot
    KewlKatt: shows [Ah As] (three of a kind, Aces)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 16350 | Rake 0 Board [7s Ad Th 2s 3h]
    Seat 1: pittdmb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: bobberman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: eddybo folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: dollardoc (button) folded on the River
    Seat 5: humanhilite (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: KewlKatt (big blind) collected (16350)
    Seat 7: Molman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: BCinNY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: DALLASDEMO folded on the Flop

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    PokerStars Game #541023979: Tournament #2039079, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2004/07/12 - 23:16:51 (ET)
    Table '2039079 65' Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: pittdmb (39263 in chips)
    Seat 2: bobberman (7130 in chips)
    Seat 3: Paralyzer (9985 in chips)
    Seat 4: dollardoc (12395 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: humanhilite (40915 in chips)
    Seat 6: KewlKatt (37155 in chips)
    Seat 7: Molman (5150 in chips)
    Seat 8: BCinNY (22387 in chips)
    Seat 9: whiteslash (5377 in chips)
    pittdmb: posts the ante 50
    bobberman: posts the ante 50
    Paralyzer: posts the ante 50
    dollardoc: posts the ante 50
    humanhilite: posts the ante 50
    KewlKatt: posts the ante 50
    Molman: posts the ante 50
    BCinNY: posts the ante 50
    whiteslash: posts the ante 50
    BCinNY: posts small blind 300
    whiteslash: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to KewlKatt [Ac Ah]
    pittdmb: folds
    bobberman: calls 600
    Paralyzer: calls 600
    dollardoc: folds
    humanhilite: folds
    KewlKatt: raises 600 to 1200
    Molman: folds
    BCinNY: calls 900
    whiteslash: folds
    bobberman: calls 600
    Paralyzer: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [3d 8c As]
    BCinNY: checks
    bobberman: checks
    Paralyzer: checks
    KewlKatt: checks
    *** TURN *** [3d 8c As] [Ad]
    BCinNY: bets 3000
    bobberman: folds
    Paralyzer: raises 5735 to 8735 and is all-in
    KewlKatt: calls 8735
    BCinNY: folds
    *** RIVER *** [3d 8c As Ad] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Paralyzer: shows [3s 3h] (a full house, Threes full of Aces)
    KewlKatt: shows [Ac Ah] (four of a kind, Aces)
    KewlKatt collected 26320 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 26320 | Rake 0 Board [3d 8c As Ad Tc]
    Seat 1: pittdmb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: bobberman folded on the Turn
    Seat 3: Paralyzer showed [3s 3h] and lost with a full house, Threes full of Aces
    Seat 4: dollardoc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: humanhilite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: KewlKatt showed [Ac Ah] and won (26320) with four of a kind, Aces
    Seat 7: Molman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: BCinNY (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 9: whiteslash (big blind) folded before Flop

    Funny thing in this second example, Paralyzer was slowplaying his trip 3's being almost certain noone held pocket AA's (cause who does a 2x PFR with AA) hehehe me!

    I recieved AA once more late in the tourney, but the stakes where to high to let just anyone see the flop, (1000/2000) I raised to 10k, had one all in caller who held AK and blew his doors off.

    My question for the critics is slow playing AA early in a tourney worth it?

    I saw two others slow play the AA that tourney, both ended up out of the tourney as a direct result of slow playing the bulls because they couldn't lay down after someone drew a better hand.

    One fella did the same as me, and only 2X the blinds PFR. he had a mit full of callers. With 2 diamonds on the flop he had one guy betting into him, AA called. Turn comes with the 3rd diamond, both held about 100k in chips, the better bet 5k, AA shows his colours and goes over the top with 20k, better All-ins, AA all-ins, better shows 47d and AA was blown out of the tourney.

    The other one was just as bad even later in the tourney.
    AA again only 2x blinds (3000/6000) has 2 callers. flop comes all low cards, rainbow, no strt, think it was 3 7 9. AA checks, one of the callers raises 12k, sensing a sucker with a low pair or 9s, AA calls, turn comes with a K. AA again checks, the caller raises again 12k, this time AA figures he earned enough slow playing his AA and goes over the top of caller going all-in, caller calls and shows his pocket 3s and takes AA out of the tourney.
  2. #2
    I'm a fan of the slow play of aces but you have to know when to get away from it (like you did) if you can't then slow playing is out of the question.

    Its all about risk vs reward, I always raise KK more pre-flop than AA.

    I also like using the limp re-raise, but you have to be sure there will be a raise behind you.
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  3. #3
    i dont like to slowplay AA early in the tournament mainly for the reason of the reward isnt going to be enough to risk it. Too many callers early on that could have virtually anything. one of them flops two pair or better and i'm going to be losing a fair bit of money unless they bet out a huge amount. I'd rather raise it and see if anyone has a good enough hand to play and risk taking only the blinds. Later I can mask my AA with the standard preflop raise i've used on my playing hands and likely get a caller or two especially in shorthanded play.. hope they hit the flop and bet into me. then the check raise comes and then fun begins 8)
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Toasty
    I'm a fan of the slow play of aces but you have to know when to get away from it (like you did) if you can't then slow playing is out of the question.

    Its all about risk vs reward, I always raise KK more pre-flop than AA.

    I also like using the limp re-raise, but you have to be sure there will be a raise behind you.

    doood that a FREAKING scary ass looking clown.. made me realize why I was soo scared of them when I was younger
  5. #5
    What tournament was that? Are you telling me you got rockets 5 times in the same game and you made a set of aces on the flop at least twice? Did you win?
    Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!
  6. #6
    I don't slowplay Aces. I play other hands fast enough that I usually get action.

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