Some (weak?) folds

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Hand 1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($101.50)
BB ($118.60)
UTG ($24.20)
UTG+1 ($84.70)
BBQSquirrel ($101.80)
MP2 ($101.95)
CO ($95.95)
Button ($184.90)

Preflop: BBQSquirrel is MP1 with Q, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, BBQSquirrel calls $1, MP2 calls $1, CO calls $1, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($5.50) 5, K, 2 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3, BBQSquirrel calls $3, MP2 folds, CO folds, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($14.50) K (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $8, BBQSquirrel calls $8, BB folds.

River: ($30.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $27, BBQSquirrel folds.

Final Pot: $30.50

Hand 2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($81.25)
BBQSquirrel ($87.85)
BB ($101.95)
UTG ($64.50)
MP ($76.05)

Preflop: BBQSquirrel is SB with , .
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, BBQSquirrel completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) , , (3 players)
BBQSquirrel checks, BB checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($3) (3 players)
BBQSquirrel checks, BB bets $2, UTG raises to $8, BBQSquirrel folds, BB calls $6.

River: ($19) (2 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $14, BB calls $14.

Final Pot: $47

Hand 3
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($128)
BB ($100)
UTG ($54.15)
UTG+1 ($196.90)
BBQSquirrel ($246.40)
MP2 ($102.25)
MP3 ($106.35)
CO ($56.50)
Button ($99.50)

Preflop: BBQSquirrel is MP1 with , .
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, BBQSquirrel raises to $4, 2 folds, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($21) , , (5 players)
SB bets $14, UTG folds, BBQSquirrel folds, CO calls $14, Button folds.

Turn: ($49) (2 players)
SB bets $39, CO calls $38.50 (All-In).

River: ($126) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $126

Hand 4
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($73.85)
MP2 ($97.50)
MP3 ($92.05)
CO ($249.20)
Button ($102)
Hero ($99)
BB ($104.80)
UTG ($104.35)
UTG+1 ($92.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) , , (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $2, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($12) (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB calls $10, UTG calls $10.

River: ($42) (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $14, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $42

Hand 5
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($72.10)
Button ($51.95)
SB ($173)
Hero ($114.60)
UTG ($157.90)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($148.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, MP1 raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, Hero raises to $17, MP1 calls $13, CO calls $13, SB folds.

Flop: ($55) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $10, CO raises to $20, Hero folds, MP1 calls $10.

Turn: ($95) (2 players)
MP1 bets $10, CO raises to $20, MP1 raises to $30, CO raises to $35.1, MP1 calls $5.10.

River: ($165.20) (2 players)

Final Pot: $165.20

#1 I prefer to raise KQs in MP. ap, I raise flop to 8, to define hands and to hopefully fold out MP2 and CO. Any reads on UTG?

#2 Wow. I´d call at least. One hand beats us, we beat a good chunk of sets/2pair/TP-hands.

#3 SB´s bet is suspicious. I´d raise to ~30 and fold to push/turn donk.His bet could easily be any Ah-combo, TT/JJ

#5 U cant fold getting 5.5:1

#6 Leading the flop will make decisions easier. Ap, I´d check/felt here

Number your hands.

Hand 4: I can’t fold here. He calls until the 1 card straight is possible and he is checked to on the river. I call at least.

You fold as weak as I do but you do it one street earlier. There is a lesson in that for me. If I could find a fold earlier I would save a ton of money (assuming I’ll fold later anyway).

Also, I have no doubt that at least one of these are folded winning hands but I can’t find it.

1) WTF are you folding for?!?
2) WTF are you folding for?!?
4) WTF are you folding for?!?

Hand 2 SB hand Q2, UTG had AQ
Hand 3 SB had T9o no hearts, CO had 33
Hand 5 PFOR had AJ, coldcaller had QQ

really though bbq, i don't want to just yell at you and say don't fold. if you are doing this stuff with any regularity then you have a leak. at least your leak is on the side of caution though and not on the side of tard-spew. can you take us through your thought process in 1,2, and 4?

Hehe.
Let my try it:

Hand 1: Ive improved to trips but my opponent is betting hard (near pot) on a scary board. The pot was limped PF so he didn’t like his hand enough to raise. So he either has Kx where x is low or he has 22,55,44. [a straight is possible but extremely remote]. I fear he has a set, I am not calling that!

Hand 2: He limped UTG so it is possible he has KQ. He is betting hard on a 1 card straight board so he must have at least a straight. Not to mention that the SB has something but who knows what. I MUST be behind to one of them. I am outa here.

Somewhat close bbqsquirrel?

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

really though bbq, i don't want to just yell at you and say don't fold. if you are doing this stuff with any regularity then you have a leak. at least your leak is on the side of caution though and not on the side of tard-spew. can you take us through your thought process in 1,2, and 5?

Hand 1
Opponent is not out of line. He fired flop multiway, got called in 2 places but fired out a slightly smaller bet again on turn when flush draws are dead, and then bet close to full pot on river. Therefore I think he has a set turned house.

Hand 2

I played this weak because 1) both opponents are non-donks 2) possibly of KQ (esp by UTG) 3) possibility of somebody freerolling w/ Qdxd, or AQ which is indeed the case here

Here's why I check turn: Who's going to call turn? Probably not even a 7, since the holder of a 7 will have to fear another bet on the river. If I wait till river before valuebetting I'll probably get calls from 7 / 2-pairs since they have no fear against "hammer of future bet"

On the other hand what if I bet and get raised -- call and evaluate river? Most of the time river changes nothing, and I have to call another stiff bet hoping for a split at best ala what DaMinkie (BB) had to go through. Or if river is a K/Q/diamond, and then we check/call? check/fold? bet/fold? bluff and represent the flush/higher straight? Since the pot is now bigger, neither give up nor call down seems too attractive

In conclusion I don't think this is a big-pot situation, and checking turn certainly keeps the pot size in control.

Hand 5
I though this is one of the more standard folds. KK on QJx board in a reraised pot and OOP. I was putting CO on JJ -- when he minraised flop it was an instant muck.

I was most bothered by hand 4 (52s). The guy bet weak on flop on a drawy board and called behind caller when the flush came and I fired turn strong. Plus BB was sticking around with who knows what hand.
However, the more I thought about it the more I hated the fold, because of the cheap price I was getting.

whoops i meant hand 4 when i said 5...i will edit

in hand 1 your hand is really really under-repped. you played like you had a flush draw. it's a limped pot and a worse K is very likely.

also, in hand 2 you are forgetting that turned flush draws will call your bet (limped pot and checked flop makes this a real possiblity), and i think you are underestimating how often a 7 calls.

and it sounds like you already know that hand 4 was a bad bad fold.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

1) WTF are you limping ?!?
2) WTF are you completing?!?
4) WTF are you completing?!?

fyp

lol well ya that too warpe.

you constantly run 1ptbb and get chewed up by the good TAGG's right or am I completely misinterpreting your style of play.

Hand 1: Raise preflop imo? As played I have no clue.

Hand 2: Meh. You've voluntarily put $0.50 in the pot, so understandable fold. Edit: I just realized that this is 5-handed, so maybe a raise preflop is good here.

Hand 3: Raise more preflop to cut in against the odds underpairs and suited-connectors and shit have against you. As played, I think it depends on what you think of SB donking out like that. I probably raise flop.

Hand 4: Check/call on the river is good here, except you misclicked and folded on accident instead.

Hand 5: What kind of flop were you looking to hit? KKx? I lead here because of the flush and straight draws but against certain opponents I could go for a check/shove here as well.

oh ya hand 5 is really bad too. first how can you check a multiway flop with draws when you hold a big overpair and secondly how can you c/f a big overpair especially when the bet to you is 20 to win 90?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

you constantly run 1ptbb and get chewed up by the good TAGG's right or am I completely misinterpreting your style of play.

i just realized bbq just posted 22k stats checkup a bit ago with a winrate of like 10BB/100 lol. i don't get how if he's making these kinds of folds.

I just realized I end up allin in like at least three of these if I were in the same position. Hand 4 keeps me up at night. How could you fold that???

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

you constantly run 1ptbb and get chewed up by the good TAGG's right or am I completely misinterpreting your style of play.

i just realized bbq just posted 22k stats checkup a bit ago with a winrate of like 10BB/100 lol. i don't get how if he's making these kinds of folds.

I think your w@SD% (60% if I remember correctly) is too damn high. You need to pick up the phone on these damn hands.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

you constantly run 1ptbb and get chewed up by the good TAGG's right or am I completely misinterpreting your style of play.

i just realized bbq just posted 22k stats checkup a bit ago with a winrate of like 10BB/100 lol. i don't get how if he's making these kinds of folds.

I just logged another ~2o k hands where I run at a more humanly rate. My rate had dropped down to like 7.5 now

Some of them (3 and 5) turned out be good folds
Hands 1 I already offered my insight. The guy was a non-donk so all I beat was KJs/KTs while I lose to AK/sets
Hand 2 .......
Hand 3 (KsKd on a 10-high triple heart board) I thoght people will berate me a lot. Obviously I thought too highly of SB.
Hand 4 I regret.
Hand 5 (Folding KK on a QJx board in a reraised pot) I thought is even trivial. I can't believe you guys are advocating me to go AI, hoping AQ would call?