Sometimes I feel like a nut

UTG+1 might be looking for a hand to stick it in with.
Most of the rest of the limpers are pretty weak, I don't expect a call from them.
Button is a loosest player at the table and makes all sorts of silly plays.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($15.50)
MP1 ($99.50)
MP2 ($100.90)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($50)
Button ($58.20)
Fnord ($117.60)
BB ($97)
UTG ($119.85)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A, Q. MP3 posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $1, Fnord raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls $9.

Flop: ($25) Q, 5, J (2 players)
Fnord bets $107.6 (All-In)

Why would you do that? You are making it hard for him to misplay the hand.

Your posts are confusing me Fnord... are we supposed to just comment on these? Are you asking a question somewhere? =/

Anyways, if your read on him was loose, then you might get a call from KQ? Other than that, I'm not sure what the point of the vast overbet is.

Big pot, draw heavy board he probably caught a piece of, fishy player, going nutzo might get me a call later and establish my image as the table bully.

Button has $50 behind, so I'm pretty committed here anyway.

FPS?

Extract value from loose players, dont force them to fold. As for advertising plays, I don't really think its worth it at these stakes where its not that difficult to get paid off anyway and people don't pay that much attention.

Yeah, I made a decision to play pre-flop poker in this spot and ran with it...

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah, I made a decision to play pre-flop poker in this spot and ran with it...

You were gonna push on any flop? Thats crazy. If Button had less than a pot sized bet left it might be good but hes not that shortstacked.

You are making your opps decision too easy here. He will call with his QJ or 55 and will fold his AJ. The only sucker you bag is KQ and he will river his straight anyway.

This isn't about this hand. If it was about this hand alone it would be a terrible play. Vast overbets look very suspicious to players who aren't used to it. If you can get away with doing this several times with a GOOD hand and not get caught, then you are forcing your opponents to play for their whole stack in the future when you have a GREAT hand and do it.

Ideally you want to pick a spot and do this with nothing and show during the grace period. "Wow, that guy just bet $100 with nothing and no outs!"

Fnord is right. Eventually someone will call with pitiful hand or a draw. If you don't think you can get someone to call 100xBB with second or third pair, then you haven't seen this high risk high reward method in action.

I can't believe you guys have never tried to ride this high variance roller coaster. Sit down at a table below your roll and do it up. It's seriously a blast.

Given my equity here, I don't think it's even a horrible way to play this hand post-flop (but I could be very wrong.) I'm only really betting out 2x pot here and destroying anything resembling implied pot odds.

Originally Posted by arkana

You were gonna push on any flop?

Wasn't sure how I'd play it to be honest. The tight players can't call with pocket pairs here and probably know it. The extra blinds are folding here almost always. That leaves the loose guy and I had to figure I'd find a way to get the best of him post-flop.

I figured AQs out of position against this crowd was worth less than the money already on the table when I raised and that I had the best hand anyway like 95% of the time.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Given my equity here, I don't think it's even a horrible way to play this hand post-flop (but I could be very wrong.) I'm only really betting out 2x pot here and destroying anything resembling implied pot odds.

Its not that horrible but its not optimal. What Rondavu says makes sense and I can't say that I have ever never really ridden the high variance roller coaster so if your plan is to create this type of image by making plays like these and sacrificing some EV for it (in the hopes of creating big EV situations later on) then it could work but I still say 100NL is not the stakes for this. Will this type of style really result in a much higher winrate?

Originally Posted by arkana

Will this type of style really result in a much higher winrate?

I'd love to find out. I certainly have good cause to believe that camping isn't the ideal way to play against bad players (it's also not very fun.) Also, my limit experience dealing with mixed tables of fish and campers showed that marginal hands played with well placed aggression was the way to go. In a looser game the blinds and players with position on you will fustrate this approach. However, in these online textures the blinds/button give away their equity without a fight and you can have your way with the donators. I figure shifting more of the money post-flop should make this approach even more profitable once I nail down more of these guy's betting patterns.

Originally Posted by arkana

Will this type of style really result in a much higher winrate?

It's not intended to be a style, though some people use it that way incorrectly. It's an action stimulation. Is it a style to push every time you have the nuts, or is it stupid because you'll never get calls and you give off a read? I'd say the latter unless you use at as a weapon.

If you're confident you're the best player at the table or at least one of them, then creating an action atmosphere and making good choices results in a much higher win rate for sure.

Sit at a table without regard to riling up the players and you really can't hope to triple up in a short amount of time without a good traditional run. If you create an action atmosphere it's very easy to do so. This is just the quickest (and most risky) way to create an action atmosphere.

The first time I encountered someone doing this, I was absolutely tilted. It was the first time I played 200NL, and I had never seen it before. This guy at the table was overbetting all in constantly preflop and postflop, and it always seemed to be when I couldn't call. Finally I drained him for a buy in because I caught the right hand at the right time. He rebought and tightened up. I thought I could drain him again. He drained me over the course of an hour for $500 since I didn't understand he had switched gears. I got OWNED. He was a very good player, or at least I like to think he was.

I don't know, maybe it is a style. It depends on how you look at it. It definately brings a higher win rate if used effectively. This is a certainty.

I think I'm going to barnstorm a 25NL table this weekend using this method and perhaps post some hand histories with results early next week.