Ths is really villain dependant, vs someone who is passive asnd weak it's probably a set. But versus a more agressive opponent or someone who is trappy pre this could easily be QQ+ or spome kind of draw.

I don't hate this, but equally I dont love it. As I say it's really depenandt upon reads/stats... it looks lilke you have neither apart from 'he's good and tight.
[quote]I find the JJ combo difficult to play. It is a good starting hand but when faced with stiff opposition I usually fold it away. You are holding top pair based on the board, but with him to come in with 4xBB then call, raise, call, he feels he has you beat, without the reads on the player I have to believe him, I let it go.


Right, agree completely, the more I think about this situation the more It seems marginal. So is there really much point in 3 betting JJ when it mostly leads to such tough spots. Would flat call and evaluation on the flop (with a smaller pot) be a better line with jacks ?

Badgers,good point, however I am not looking for a rigid general rule I would apply in every situation, just a rule of thumb: in such tough spots without any reads should be more eager to fold than push all in ?

Thx for all the feedback and help guys