Top 2 on the flop...

I put villain on AA/KK immediately pre-flop but my hand was pretty to look at...

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $66.15
Hero: $73.99
MP1: $51.34
MP2: $47.25
MP3: $12.55
CO: $52.95
Button: $57.15
SB: $45.62
BB: $112.35

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J Q
UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, Button raises to $4.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.5, Hero calls $3.5.

Flop: J 4 Q ($14.25, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, Button raises to $20, UTG folds, Hero ????

if you're going to bet into him like that, you best be ready to get it all in. and, i see no reason to be scared here. i'm pushing and hoping for a call.

I pushed, he called, ace came on the turn to give him his set.

Results aside, did I have any business calling this pre-flop?

not unless you had some particular reason to. i'm experimenting with calling with hands like this every once in a while when i think the raiser is really bad post-flop, i haven't decided if i like it yet.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Results aside, did I have any business calling this pre-flop?

Not really. If you flopped a draw, you would have had horrible odds to see it through, since villain is gonna be betting AA hard. Generally the only drawing hands I call AA reraises with are underpairs.

Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.

I "have business" calling with almost any 2 if i'm 100% sure villain has AA/KK

Originally Posted by nutsinho

I "have business" calling with almost any 2 if i'm 100% sure villain has AA/KK

are you suggesting that barely 10:1 implied odds are enough for you to try to suck out on AA with any two?

Yea push it. I just had a similar hand with a slightly bigger flop pot. I raised PF with QQ to $1. Tight-reraiser comes over the top of me to $3. I know he has AA/KK. Flop comes Q high with 2 clubs. I bet just over half pot expecting him to push me off my 'draw'. He pushes .

Renton. Thats a $3.5o call to win $58

Thats way better than 10:1. With very big stacks it is +EV to call with any 2 if you definatly know what villain holds. I dont think I would have called there but it probably works out +EV if your 100% confident in your read.

$10 ish pot
$3.5 to call
Im going fishing here.

Originally Posted by Renton

Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.

Yeah, any board pair other than mine plus his aces, whereas I have only 4 outs to improve on this particular hand...although you don't know that pre-flop, do ya?

folding pre flop in early position to a raise would of got you out of this situation, after that you played it fine.

I call the UTG raise, and I might fold to the button reraise, but to be honest I would be inclined to call. Anyways, its an easy push on the flop, almost any villain will call a push here with AA/KK and you dont want a turn that can kill your action (a Q or a club).

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Renton

Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.

Yeah, any board pair other than mine plus his aces, whereas I have only 4 outs to improve on this particular hand...although you don't know that pre-flop, do ya?

Didn't you though? You said you put him on AA/KK. The easiest way for JQ to suckout on AA is to flop two pair.