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  1. #1

    Default TP weak kicker

    $25 NL

    HOLE CARDS:
    on BB

    5 way limp pot.

    FLOP:


    I check (should i have perhaps bet to see if someone has the ace?)

    next player bets pot: $1.25

    folds to me.

    He's solid, sitting there with a 250BB stack that he's built up gradually not in one hit. So I think i can out play him for this pot.

    I raise $1.75 to $3.

    He calls

    TURN:


    I cant put him on a 7 because he would have only played that as suited connectors and wouldnt have called my flop raise with bottom pair weak kicker. I think he probably has AJ or A10, which is now a split pot with me. AK and AQ are out because he didnt raise preflop.

    So he has to fold or i'm either beaten by the rake or i'll get a few cents.
    Having just shown strenght with the check raise I bet the pot $7

    folds.

    TheRoom wins pot $7.02

    what would you have done on the turn?
    villain goes AI
    i call with a set (i have him owned)
    i win pot
    villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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    Bet 5 on the turn.

    If you ever check-raise a flop, you have to lead the turn. They'll call the raise pretty loose but they'll fold to most size-able turn bets unimproved. I bet 5 becuase you're not getting called unless you're beat anyway and 5 v 7 is higher EV.

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    Yeah I get that problem. If I am check raised maybe 1-2x my bet, I normally call it and check the turn and folding to his next bet. A leak maybe..

    Does look to me like he maybe hit the queen or had a lower pocket that couldn't fold to your check raise. He could even of had Ax and thought you had improved with the 7?

    I like what rilla said, betting 5 on the turn sounds good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estrop
    Yeah I get that problem. If I am check raised maybe 1-2x my bet, I normally call it and check the turn and folding to his next bet. A leak maybe..
    A huge leak. Either call with the intent to check-raise him on the turn or fold.

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    Don't be so sure he had a solid A, he could have been on a flush draw.
    I still like the way you played it.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Estrop
    Yeah I get that problem. If I am check raised maybe 1-2x my bet, I normally call it and check the turn and folding to his next bet. A leak maybe..
    Yes, I used to do that same thing. Now if i'm check raised on the flop i ask myself.. Can i call a pot bet on the turn if i dont improve? If i cant I lay it down on the flop. I think if your going to call it you need to be able to bet out out on the turn.. i hate calling without the nuts, want to be the agressor.
    villain goes AI
    i call with a set (i have him owned)
    i win pot
    villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
    Quote Originally Posted by Estrop
    Yeah I get that problem. If I am check raised maybe 1-2x my bet, I normally call it and check the turn and folding to his next bet. A leak maybe..
    Yes, I used to do that same thing. Now if i'm check raised on the flop i ask myself.. Can i call a pot bet on the turn if i dont improve? If i cant I lay it down on the flop. I think if your going to call it you need to be able to bet out out on the turn.. i hate calling without the nuts, want to be the agressor.
    either that or i may reraise on the flop for more info, turning it round on him/her, then they have to really consider how good their hand is. And if they bet hard you can be pretty sure they do have a hand.
    villain goes AI
    i call with a set (i have him owned)
    i win pot
    villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
    Quote Originally Posted by Estrop
    Yeah I get that problem. If I am check raised maybe 1-2x my bet, I normally call it and check the turn and folding to his next bet. A leak maybe..
    Yes, I used to do that same thing. Now if i'm check raised on the flop i ask myself.. Can i call a pot bet on the turn if i dont improve? If i cant I lay it down on the flop. I think if your going to call it you need to be able to bet out out on the turn.. i hate calling without the nuts, want to be the agressor.
    Then dont even call the flop raise.

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    Default Re: TP weak kicker

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
    $25 NL

    HOLE CARDS:
    on BB

    5 way limp pot.

    FLOP:


    I check (should i have perhaps bet to see if someone has the ace?)
    what about the flop situation? Would I want to have made an info bet here?
    villain goes AI
    i call with a set (i have him owned)
    i win pot
    villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
  10. #10
    if im in a real camping mode i check fold here [if I have a 7 or lower kicker]

    If i wana play the hand I lead out on the flop to see where I stand, its the crucial way to get info - if he raises you need to be vary careful and probly fold.. if he flat calls then play it out from there with a standard increased bet [2/3 pot?].

    You kind of achive this 'gaining of info' by check raising the flop - tho he may still flat call to slowplay a monster. With your intentions of outplaying him this may of been a better move - making you look veyr strong so you can lead out the turn
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