TPTK deep, 3way

Hero is BB
SB is 27/6/2.6
UTG+2 is 44/18/2.8

I usually 3b AK, but like to add some deception at times. I think I should've raised flop now that I've flatted pre, but UTG+2 can also give me action with how loose he is. thoughts?

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer Game#20704473285

SB ($67.65)
Hero ($55.25)
UTG ($54.10)
UTG+1 ($60.75)
UTG+2 ($90.05)
MP1 ($25.50)
CO ($30.05)
BTN ($53.05)

Dealt to Hero KA

call, fold, call, fold, fold, call, SB raises to $2.50, call, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 56A

SB bets $3, Hero calls $3, UTG+2 raises to $15, SB raises to $30, Hero ?

1. you aren't deep
2. reraise preflop
3. go allin

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

You've hear preflop above.

Doing anything but folding the flop is bonkers as played, and you should have raised the flop anyway.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

why?

Originally Posted by Bbickes

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing

but no, I don't see that

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by Bbickes

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing

but no, I don't see that

Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.

KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.

Originally Posted by JinxT4

KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.

yup I think flatting the flop was bad here, probably should bet/fold or whatever. I don't think I made that big of a mistake pre though...

Originally Posted by JinxT4

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by Bbickes

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing

but no, I don't see that

Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.

KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.

I mean you can't 3bet a bet, you can only 3bet a raise.

A bet is something you can only do post-flop. So if you are betting on the flop, you can be RAISED by the first player and 3-bet by the third player. You know, that's why it's called a THREE bet because three bets went in.

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by JinxT4

Originally Posted by iopq

Originally Posted by Bbickes

You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?

You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing

but no, I don't see that

Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.

KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.

I mean you can't 3bet a bet, you can only 3bet a raise.

A bet is something you can only do post-flop. So if you are betting on the flop, you can be RAISED by the first player and 3-bet by the third player. You know, that's why it's called a THREE bet because three bets went in.

Wait.... what? I always thought a 3-bet was when you re-raised 3 x the bet of someone who acted before you on a given street.... As in: Johnny bet $1. Timmy 3-bet Johnny, making it $3 dollars to go...

A 3bet is a re-raise. That is preflop the intial bet is the big blind. And if someone puts in more money it's considered a raise. Therefore, if you make it even more to go, then that is a re-raise, or 3bet.

Postflop there isn't an initial bet yet. So if you lead the flop then that is a bet. And if villain raises, it is considered just that, a raise. So if you re-raise then you are 3betting him. So your line was b/3b.

I think that's right, maybe someone else can explain it better.

what the hell is going on. How can hero not literally 3bet preflop? Am I missing something?

action went bet (blinds)/raise/now we can 3bet wtf

Originally Posted by kmind

what the hell is going on. How can hero not literally 3bet preflop? Am I missing something?

action went bet (blinds)/raise/now we can 3bet wtf

Preflop had hero re-raised SB that would be a 3bet, and I thought we were all in agreement on that. A few individuals were referring to postflop, and what it would be called had he raised SBs c-bet on the flop. And that is just referred to as a raise and not a 3bet.

.....funny how this thread has turned into one about terminology and not about the OP's dilemma....

yeah I understand I don't understand what iopq is talking about because he seemed to clearly be talking about preflop

don't slowplay when you have players this terrible at the table so pump it pre is obv.

as played, i hate flatting the flop after the 3 bet to $30 because it's not often that this sort of action includes three hands that can't beat TPTK.

I bet SB has AK/AQ and UTG+2 has low cards like 56 or 87.

guys,

3bet = reraise. simple.