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tptk vs river open push

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  1. #1

    Default tptk vs river open push

    I have less then 20 hands on villain.

    Flop action tells me probably set or flush, but he doesn't c/r turn like most players. Thoughts?

    ***** Hand History for Game 4480889960 *****
    $200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 10, 02:16:04 ET 2006
    Table Table 96058 (Real Money)
    Seat 7 is the button
    Total number of players : 10
    Seat 1: MegaTilt_R ( $314.55 )
    Seat 2: MYRKO ( $192 )
    Seat 3: josephg ( $92.55 )
    Seat 6: the_don30 ( $207.65 )
    Seat 7: UNCLEGE ( $122.94 )
    Seat 8: llloookkk ( $253.29 )
    Seat 9: LIONonFIRE ( $405.82 )
    Seat 10: Melea1 ( $207.50 )
    Seat 5: DoomSwitched ( $198 )
    Seat 4: BaldTimAce ( $50 )
    llloookkk posts small blind [$1].
    LIONonFIRE posts big blind [$2].
    BaldTimAce posts big blind [$2].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to DoomSwitched [ As Qs ]
    Melea1 folds.
    MegaTilt_R folds.
    MYRKO folds.
    josephg folds.
    BaldTimAce checks.
    DoomSwitched raises [$8].
    the_don30 folds.
    UNCLEGE folds.
    llloookkk calls [$7].
    LIONonFIRE calls [$6].
    BaldTimAce folds.
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Tc, Qc ]
    llloookkk bets [$2].
    LIONonFIRE calls [$2].
    DoomSwitched raises [$25].

    llloookkk folds.
    LIONonFIRE calls [$23].
    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]

    LIONonFIRE checks.
    DoomSwitched bets [$45].
    LIONonFIRE calls [$45].
    ** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
    LIONonFIRE bets [$120.95].
  2. #2
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    This actually looks like a missed flush draw. I think I'd call and cry when he flips over TT/22. But I'd call nonetheless.
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  3. #3
    I'd probably call too since it's more then 2:1 and sets raise the flop or turn way too much. But then again I hate making these kind of calls without a read, since he could be a whacky slowplayer or have 4c3c. It's a tough choice. I'd like to see what others say on this.
  4. #4
    Tough hand....

    I would probably fold here, is that a leak in my game?

    TPTK is my worst played hand..... I either give it too much value or not enough.
  5. #5
    If I can't give him credit for playing a missed flush draw like this, I fold. Looks like the river made his hand though.. 34s.. or maybe he hit 2p on some shitty hand. More often than not I think he wants to get paid for his lucky fishing here..
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    This looks like a loose passive slowplaying a monster. This is how 95% of fish slowplay a monster. TT, 22, QQ/KK/AA if he's passive, and QT are all likely holdings given the action. He's also betting his whole stack into a large pot, which would suggest that he expects you to call.

    I fold.
  7. #7
    He's also betting his whole stack into a large pot, which would suggest that he expects you to call.
    I'm glad you guys posted these views, since I probably have a leak of putting too much weight on bet-patterns without a read and making calls like this with the oppositte logic - that villain doesn't want a call. Lately it seems like it's a runner-runner set/str8 or other random fishy play that indeed is trying to get paid off. These non-read-based folds make a big difference in win rates, but it's tough since noone wants to be weak-tight.
  8. #8
    I honestly almost always see a turn raise with a monster at 200nl. It seems like a likely missed FD so I called. He had AT.
  9. #9
    I call this flop and play the turn fast.

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