TT OOP 3way pot with reg/fish

Leimel is 18/15/1.5 with a 56% cbet percentage over 600+ hands.

Debali is running 59/12 over 30 hands.

Is the flop donk bet optimal? What's plan for the turn?


$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG RNiner R9 ($100)
UTG+1 DEBALI ($73.60)
MP1 chelseajt08 ($100)
MP2 cfeuer ($134.40)
CO LeiMel ($254.40)
BTN catleonet ($101)
SB BigJimJones ($197.95)
BB Hero ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 8 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, DEBALI calls $1, 2 folds, LeiMel raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, DEBALI calls $4

Flop: ($15.50, 3 players)
Hero bets $10, DEBALI calls $10, LeiMel calls $10

Turn: ($45.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, DEBALI bets $15, LeiMel folds, Hero calls $15

River: ($75.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, DEBALI bets $20, $20 to Hero ($70)?

isnt his cbetting range wider than his donk-calling range? i'm a pretty passive kind of a fish, but i don't understand why you are leading this flop?

not sure about the turn. does he ever smooth your flop lead with a higher pair? i'm assuming he raises all sets on the flop. thats if he's even opening 33-55. because he didnt raise the flop i get a feeling the original raiser will have 66-TT alot. debali likely has a pretty wide range here. the jack is pretty much a brick for everyone's ranges, and it halfs the possible combos of one of the overpairs to your tens. so if you are good on the flop (which i assume you believe you are by leading) you have to assume you are good on the turn.

Donk lead is obviously the best way to get value from fish and prevent a check behind from the reg.Now i'd go pot control mode from turn on.c/c if fish bets and reg folds.c/f if reg bets.

Originally Posted by pokerfan

Donk lead is obviously the best way to get value from fish and prevent a check behind from the reg.Now i'd go pot control mode from turn on.c/c if fish bets and reg folds.c/f if reg bets.

Boom.

[Updated OP with turn and river actions...]

Kind of a gay card. But his betsize makes me want to call, given I think he would bet larger with Ax. Thoughts?

Kinda feel like we should fire the turn for moar fish value

Yeah... I was torn on that. I think there is some value to be had against the fish, and think I'm likely ahead of reg on the flop (not sure if he raises JJ+ on flop, but think so due to fish).

might be a bit crazy but what about check, see what the fish does, if he bets jam if leimel bets fold. (depending on sizing of course)

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

might be a bit crazy but what about check, see what the fish does, if he bets jam if leimel bets fold. (depending on sizing of course)

are you trying to make a fish fold a straight??

Actually I hadn't considered the possibility of the reg raising JJ+/sets with the considerable number of scare cards for some reason... that makes turn very close.

River is so gay. I call but I am a massive station vs unknowns...

wait you were talking about the turn? Seems like a decent line, hopefully he'll call with A high. Depends on how frequently you think he'll bluff river when he misses.

Originally Posted by badgers

wait you were talking about the turn? Seems like a decent line, hopefully he'll call with A high. Depends on how frequently you think he'll bluff river when he misses.

yeah the turn

like if he has 66-99, 6x, 5x (like A5/A3/A2 and shit) he won't fold if he bets like 1/3-1/2 his stack on the turn.

edit: yeah I'm jamming over this $15 bet for value as played fold river.

River is a fold,whatever.I kind of like 3 bet squeeze preflop and avoid this tough situation with the worst relative&abosolute position.

The problem with 3betting preflop is if Leimel continues, I'm not in great shape against his range, with him having position, and the fish is less likely to continue. I think in this spot I would flat the majority of my range, to bring fish along, and donk a lot of flops for value.

I always donk lead there for value. Reg is never cb-bluffing, his value range isn't wide enough, you get more value from both him and the fish by donking. Plus if the fish then gaydonks and the reg calls you're in a really bad spot to get stacks vs weak hands.

I lead turn again and shove river (cuz of stack size). - don't expect fish to fold any part of his flop calling range on the turn, except for 8T maybe.

As played I c/c the river. You guys see connected boards with your magic xray goggles, but a 60/15 needs the fingers of both hands to figure out that an A or a 6 make a straight now. He could be betting all kinds of crap.

yah, c/r turn as played, just because he'll stackoff lighter there than on the river imo.
Not in love with a squeeze pre. You'll iso the fish a ton, but reg will play very straight forward post flop, and if reg calls and fish folds ur fked.