uhm what to do

grinding halt is solid. what would you change, or do now?

***** Hand History for Game 2963181735 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 01, 03:59:04 EDT 2005
Table Table 68557 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: MagicLCR ( $35.15 )
Seat 6: GrindingHalt ( $63.45 )
Seat 8: ArmandThrust ( $45.30 )
Seat 10: Wahoo2006 ( $89.73 )
Seat 1: trthhu ( $50.25 )
Seat 7: chris716 ( $17.25 )
ArmandThrust posts small blind [$0.25].
Wahoo2006 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 6d 7h ]
trthhu folds.
MagicLCR calls [$0.50].
GrindingHalt calls [$0.50].
ArmandThrust calls [$0.25].
Wahoo2006 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 6s, 5d ]
ArmandThrust checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$1.50].
MagicLCR folds.
GrindingHalt calls [$1.50].
ArmandThrust folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$4].
GrindingHalt raises [$8].
Wahoo2006 calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$8].
GrindingHalt is all-In [$53.45]


what would you do in this spot. the table was acting reasonably to a 4xbb raise, this many callers was unpredictable. only read that matters imo is tzara is a maniac.

***** Hand History for Game 2963189507 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 01, 04:03:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 66209 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $48.30 )
Seat 2: GrindingHalt ( $51.75 )
Seat 8: bovfink2 ( $68.15 )
Seat 9: jasoncullis ( $131.27 )
Seat 3: kabiog9 ( $10.50 )
Seat 4: matalb2s ( $40.93 )
Seat 5: timomaas ( $58.25 )
Seat 6: tzarathustra ( $42.20 )
Seat 10: Erki5 ( $38 )
tzarathustra posts small blind [$0.25].
bovfink2 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Kc Ks ]
jasoncullis calls [$0.50].
Erki5 folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$2].
kabiog9 folds.
matalb2s calls [$2].
timomaas calls [$2].
tzarathustra calls [$1.75].
bovfink2 folds.
jasoncullis calls [$1.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 9d, Td ]
tzarathustra bets [$10].
jasoncullis folds.
Wahoo2006 ?
just a reminder, 2 people are acting after me.

#1 only 79 beats you. This is a tough spot and his limping PF doesnt help. IMO you played flop and turn fine. Re-raising on turn is a possibility, too.

#2 Do you think a set would pla like this. I am under impression that most $50 players would slow play here. He might have top pair, flush draw, or JQ. I strongly consider pushing here given the read he is a maniac. Against a player more solid this would be a really tricky one.

#1 - you pretty much have to call that and payoff 79 - which I don't believe he has - looks like he has 77, 44, 88, or 7x and you'll either split the pot or take all his money

#2 I tend to raise big pocket pairs a little higher from early position - you've got one limper and so many left to act I'd say 2.50 - 3.oo in this case - though I understand that you figured you'd only get 2 callers normally. The flop - you mention the better is a maniac but what kind of crap is he showing down? I've had a loose/maniacial player do this to me with KTo - I pushed, he called and rivered a third ten. Standard play says that you reraise to see where you are at and chase off any draws - problem is the damn pot size - also, would he call with T4o or 9To? No way I'm putting a maniac on a set, but he could have 2 pair. I hate overpairs with fricking 5 people to the flop - most of the time you are losing those...how fishy is the rest of the table? Are they going to call your a big reraise from you with a flush or straight draw? It depends on how much you want this pot - but no way you call - you either raise pretty hard and fold to overaggression (unless your really read the maniac for just having AT or somesuch) or fold it outright.

Hand #1: I call and hope he doesn't have 79. I believe you are going to split the pot though. I think he has 67 or 78. You may get lucky if he overplayed a set, but I bet you split the pot.

Hand #2: After reading the HH, I fold. But I wouldn't have while playing. If I were the one caught up in the hand, I would probably reraise to $28-30. Checking to see if my KK is good.
With 5 to the flop after a 4xBB PFR, someone has TT or 99. Likely to have JJ or QQ too., but after your raise they should slow down and you can show down cheap. The reason I say fold, is because diamond draws and OESD are getting huge odds. Some moron is going to smooth call $30 and hit his draw. I hate it and I'm weak, but at these limits I fold. Especially at fishy poker rooms.