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Value from rivered nut flush?

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  1. #1

    Default Value from rivered nut flush?

    No reads/stats on either villain.

    Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $1/$2 - 8 players - Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $309.75
    UTG+1: $164.60
    MP1: $80
    MP2: $143.75
    CO: $347.75
    Button: $207
    SB: $77
    Hero: $243

    Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with A 9
    2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

    Flop: Q 8 7 ($8, 4 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $2, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

    Turn: T ($14, 3 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets $2, CO calls, Hero calls.

    River: J ($20, 3 players)
    Hero...
  2. #2
    you have to lead here.
  3. #3
    i like 1/4-1/2 pot for value. More likely 1/4 pot. hopefully he has the and calls or raises
    -Beck
  4. #4
    id raise it 3$

    Edit:
    Rofl, didnt read the Blinds. Hmmm. I dunno, I don't think a big bet is getting called here much... I'd raise it 4$
  5. #5
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    a ~1/2 pot lead out seems right here. a c/r is only getting another $2 bet.
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
  6. #6
    You don't have the nut flush, that honor belongs to anyone holding 9s Ts. But your hand is fairly solid none the less.

    I'd bet $20 here and make Ks pay you off. If you read NLHT&P you would have seen how getting paid off on bigger bets less often is more profitable than making value bets on the river with the nuts or near-nuts.
  7. #7

    Default Re: Value from rivered nut flush?

    Thanks guys. I actually went for the c/r because of something I read in NLHE T&P (p. 151) about one of the best situations for river c/r being a flush completing and you have the nuts. (Or second nuts in this case, thx Khabbi ). I figured one of the two opps made a lower flush and would bet, and if the Ks was out, they'd probably call a c/r.

    In hindsight, this would have been better off with a read, and it's possible that CO would have raised if I lead...

    River: J ($20, 3 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $10, Hero raises to $50, MP1 folds, CO calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: $120
    Hero showed As 9h
    CO mucks Tc Ks


    Is thinking I should have raised even more just plain greedy?
  8. #8
    perfect raise, i don't think he calls much more and if u did go higher, You risk losing him. $50 was just enough to entice the call...NH

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