Quote Originally Posted by dalecooper
Quote Originally Posted by Zangief
AQ or AJ still has me beat. Ugh. Bad play.
Well, I wasn't going to make a big point of it, since you said not to... but yeah. You mishandled a few things here even before the ill-advised river raise. I'm not crazy about the pre-flop limp (or even playing ATo from middle position at all - but if you're going to play it, raise it). Then you definitely should have folded the flop to his re-raise. But ignoring all that, just calling on the river is probably your best play. I understand how you got to that point, and he's definitely putting out the "I have you beat" value bet, but at that point the pot is large enough to warrant simply calling and hoping. Raising, not so much.
So you would normally fold ATo from middle position?

I'm starting to really dislike ATs (and AJs), too. You want to raise to get the crap out, but you can't raise from middle position with them because most people who call you have you beat or dominated. If an A falls on the flop, you probably have kicker problems. If a T falls, there are many overpairs. You really want miracle flops: ATx, TTx, (not AAx because of kicker,) Txx with 2 of your suit, xxx with all 3 your suit, or KQJ (especially with 2 of your suit).

Basically, it's just a drawing hand, like 87s. But the high cards make it more dangerous because it easier to make a second-best hand that you go to a showdown with.