What does he have?

HH from Bodog, discuss.

400nl

SB posts 2$
Hero posts 4$

Hero has :Tc: :Td:

Folds
Villain Raises to 8$
Folds
Hero calls

FLOP:

Hero Bets $10
Villain Calls

TURN:

Hero Checks
Villain Bets 19.50
Hero Calls

River :

Hero Bets 32$
Villain raises to $79.50
Hero ???

This is Bodog so players have no concept of pot size. I make steals with 1/4 and 2/5 pot bets.

AQ? It's hard to tell since you checked the turn. He could be playing off your weakness or he could have a real hand. I would fold this.

I would fold.

What was the purpose of your river bet?
Why not check/call if you want to show down?

What hand range would raise you here? I don't play on Bodog, but the turn bet and the river raise says you're beat.

Your betting here baffles me. Bet and get called, check and call a bet, bet and get raised... how do you have any idea where you stand? Also - how many people were at this table? I typically raise with tens. With a min-raise and a bunch of folds, I might even re-raise. I'm more inclined to re-raise with fewer players though. Was this a full ring or what?

Better lines than yours:
1. call the pre-flop; bet the flop and turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.
2. re-raise pre-flop; bet the flop and turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.
3. call the pre-flop; check-raise the flop; bet the turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.

All three of these assume the same board as you actually got in this hand. If the turn and river cards are king, ace, it's probably safe to let it go.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Your betting here baffles me. Bet and get called, check and call a bet, bet and get raised... how do you have any idea where you stand? Also - how many people were at this table? I typically raise with tens. With a min-raise and a bunch of folds, I might even re-raise. I'm more inclined to re-raise with fewer players though. Was this a full ring or what?

Better lines than yours:
1. call the pre-flop; bet the flop and turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.
2. re-raise pre-flop; bet the flop and turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.
3. call the pre-flop; check-raise the flop; bet the turn; check/call any reasonable bet on the river.

All three of these assume the same board as you actually got in this hand. If the turn and river cards are king, ace, it's probably safe to let it go.

No way I'm reraising JJ or lower out of position.

My line -

preflop

Fish like minraising medium hands, or monsters like AA KK. Not likely he has AK AQ, they just don't minraise those hands.

flop

He either has JJ and up and will reraise me on the flop, a call tells me he doesn't have these hands.

turn

The smoothcall on the flop I had him on something like A9-A6. AQ he was more likely to raise more preflop, they don't normally min-raise AQ AK. QJ QT would have folded on the flop unless they were suited in hearts. I can't bet here because he only calls if he's ahead. I don't think he has a Q so I call

River

My bet here is poor. He is only calling if he's ahead. He raises and I'm about to fold, but the chance that he's over playing his nine or bluffing his missed flush is large enough to justify a call for me into this pot (it's less then 40$ to win $160).

Villain shows:

I bodog. I fell in love the day I played the $200 game and Action Man 3-bet KJo pre-flop and kept making small bets into me post-flop. 66 was g00t.

Originally Posted by doggz

He either has JJ and up and will reraise me on the flop, a call tells me he doesn't have these hands.

Interesting. How does your line beat check/call and check/raise?

Originally Posted by doggz

I can't bet here because he only calls if he's ahead. I don't think he has a Q so I call

Worse hands call if you bet, JJ might fold. AK has 6 outs.

Originally Posted by Fnord

I bodog. I fell in love the day I played the $200 game and Action Man 3-bet KJo pre-flop and kept making small bets into me post-flop. 66 was g00t.

Originally Posted by doggz

He either has JJ and up and will reraise me on the flop, a call tells me he doesn't have these hands.

Interesting. How does your line beat check/call and check/raise?

Originally Posted by doggz

I can't bet here because he only calls if he's ahead. I don't think he has a Q so I call

Worse hands call if you bet, JJ might fold. AK has 6 outs.

If I check the flop almost any hand will bet. I hate cjeckraising with only a medium hand without any real redraw.

Like I said, I don't have him on AK because of preflop action. Players almost never minraise AK. They want to force people out "because AK never wins". JJ definately raises the flop. Any overpair = all in.

So why is betting out here better than check/call or check/fold?

What's your plan if he raises your flop bet?

Originally Posted by Fnord

So why is betting out here better than check/call or check/fold?

Check/call doesn't give me a range of hands, and I just don't see why check/fold would be a real option. Bet/fold is an option.

Originally Posted by doggz

Check/call doesn't give me a range of hands.

*shrug*

Originally Posted by doggz

Bet/fold is an option.

I hate folding with outs and a possible best hand.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by doggz

Check/call doesn't give me a range of hands.

*shrug*

Originally Posted by doggz

Bet/fold is an option.

I hate folding with outs and a possible best hand.

I like folding when I'm behind and out of position

I fold.

That's a ballsy river bluff, I think you're nearly always behind here.

His raise is just over a minraise; he's not really going to fold a lot of hands here, IMO. Knowing that, I'd have to fold to this raise.