What would you do?

Hi all. Im pretty new to this forum (and relativly new to poker) so im going to be posting everything i have to make a descision about from now on

the following happened very soon after sitting down at the table so not long enough for reads (and mine tend to suck anyway).
The player did tend to bet his hands quite quickly when he thought he was winning although he often overvalued his hands, so he had been known to value bet with poor hands.

Well... over to you guys. Ill post results in a little while.
thanks in advance



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Hero ($3.25)
MP2 ($6.15)
CO ($3.15)
Button ($2.12)
SB ($6.65)
BB ($0.36)
UTG ($3.97)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.26, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.38, CO calls $0.12.

Flop: ($0.79) 9, 2, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO raises to $2.77,
????????

If you're going to put in the 3rd bet pre-flop do it with authority.

On the flop I'm torn. Looks like a flush re-draw. Do you think he has AA/KK here?

Thats penny. He could be holding anything. A9, JJ 10 10, 99, 2 pair with sucky hand etc

I woulda raise that pre flop way harder. ITS PENNY. These guys will call you all day. If hes got KK/AA well too bad, but 90% of the time it be some no-sense hands like A9o and they will pay you off.

My guess would be that hes NOT holding KK/AA because penny players woulda raised you immediatly pre flop. EVen 1010/JJ is very unlikely.

I put him on: set, flush draw with Ace of diamond, flush(sooted sucker), some sort of pair of nine(A9o, K9o, etc). If the guy is really fishy i could even put him on 95o, 92o, 25o, ITS PENNY.

As a final guess i go with the flush.

You put 1$ in and hes asking for 2.50 more. I think i would fold this. There are good odds that your beats and even if your not, very good odds that he has one diamond or that he sucks out on you.

It's profitable to race QQ at this level. It should be done almost every time.

From my experience they rarely goes all in on stone cold bluff. The reason to go all in could be pretty bad(A9o for example) but he probably has something.

In this case, he very probably at least has the flush draw, if not the flush. Otherwise he surely got at least one pair, if not 2.

My point is the only thing he is beating here, is a flush draw or one pair.
One pair is possible, but i think the risk is too high. If he fold, he just lost 90 pennie on this hand. If he calls, now hes risking loosing 2.50 more and i don't believe odds are on his side.

Maybe i am wrong, lets see the results.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

It's profitable to race QQ at this level. It should be done almost every time.

do you mean all in pre-flop?
who are you expecting to call?

lower pairs or AK-Ax?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($3.25)
MP2 ($6.15)
CO ($3.15)
Button ($2.12)
SB ($6.65)
BB ($0.36)
UTG ($3.97)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.26, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.38, CO calls $0.12.

Flop: ($0.79) 9, 2, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, CO raises to $2.77, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $4.06


My Minraise before the flop was my "does he have AA,KK?" test. After his flop all-in i figured the best i had it was if he had a lower pair than me (or QQ) with one diamond (most likely) and at worst he had tried to trap me with AA, KK and then panicked thinking i had a flush draw (less likely given his flop play), or he already had the flush and i was screwed (least likely). The scary thing is if he just called me here and no high cards or diamonds came i probably would have given him my stack on the next card in an effort to "drop the fcuking hammer".

Rule #1 of Holdem: If you hold a PP, your opponent does not have the same PP. Read and reread that until you understand why. Your opponent does not hold the other QQ.

Your min raise gave him 5.583 : 1 odds to call. Any moron would call that based on the odds along. You have to raise more to see if he has AA KK.

Remember, AA vs QQ is 4:1, so anything above that dictates a call for odds alone. You have him that with your min reraise.

Originally Posted by AHiltz

Remember, AA vs QQ is 4:1, so anything above that dictates a call for odds alone. You have him that with your min reraise.

Closer to 5:1...

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 81.5483 % 81.33% 00.22% { AA }
Hand 2: 18.4517 % 18.23% 00.22% { QQ }

Originally Posted by AHiltz

Your min raise gave him 5.583 : 1 odds to call. Any moron would call that based on the odds along. You have to raise more to see if he has AA KK.

Remember, AA vs QQ is 4:1, so anything above that dictates a call for odds alone. You have him that with your min reraise.

I think him having AA.. the best hand.. would dictate a call or reraise. The QQ person needs odds in this situation, not AA.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Rule #1 of Holdem: If you hold a PP, your opponent does not have the same PP. Read and reread that until you understand why. Your opponent does not hold the other QQ.

i wasnt scared he Queens (unless one of them was a diamond) i just put it as a possible (but very unlikely hand) which would probably have split the pot

and it is possible that he had Queens as well. there are 4 queens in the deck. 0 on the flop and i have 2. How is it not possible that he has queens as well?

edit: ahhh i think you misunderstood my post. i wasnt saying QQ with 1 diamond was most likely. i was saying that a lower pair (QQ or JJ or 10 10) with one diamond was most likely