What's your line here? (difficult Ax hand)

This is from a SnG but I feel that it is a situation fairly applicable to both cash games and tournaments. Obviously it is best to avoid this situation by folding PF, but it is hard to justify folding PF in this situation with the potsize as it is after the open limp and the antes.

All thoughts would be appreciated both on the flop and the turn.

I've whited out my flop play which includes a bit about my line of thought. I'll post a result summary later.

champ7767 would limp the odd pot but once he really decided to participate, he bet pretty hard. don't want to call him true TAGG but definitely not LAGG either as he wasn't raising to open.

rfarmer was definitely TAGG and I had the feeling it was trouble when he involved himself in a pot. Very, very tight.

PokerStars Game #2784274698: Tournament #13682778, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/10/12 - 02:02:56 (ET)
Table '13682778 2' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rfarmer5r (5120 in chips)
Seat 2: champ7767 (5737 in chips)
Seat 3: RiCAr_dissi (1490 in chips)
Seat 4: saltychef (1370 in chips)
Seat 5: ramtx (7563 in chips)
Seat 8: zagman12 (3210 in chips)
Seat 9: Blinky_3eyes (2510 in chips)
rfarmer5r: posts the ante 25
champ7767: posts the ante 25
RiCAr_dissi: posts the ante 25
saltychef: posts the ante 25
ramtx: posts the ante 25
zagman12: posts the ante 25
Blinky_3eyes: posts the ante 25
Blinky_3eyes: posts small blind 100
rfarmer5r: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blinky_3eyes [Ac 7h]
champ7767: calls 200
RiCAr_dissi: folds
saltychef: folds
ramtx: folds
zagman12: folds
Blinky_3eyes: calls 100
rfarmer5r: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 9s Ah]

Your move, part 1!



I decided to try to check/raise this. I don't really like my kicker and perhaps a check/raise can win the pot outright. If opp comes over the top I probably dump the hand.

Blinky_3eyes: checks
rfarmer5r: checks
champ7767: bets 200
Blinky_3eyes: raises 600 to 800
rfarmer5r: folds
champ7767: calls 600
*** TURN *** [4d 9s Ah] [8s]

your move part 2!

Thanks guys.

fold preflop

Unless you hit 2 pair on the flop you are fucked. Since you didn't raise to try and guage some strength from your opps, playing that shit will only get you into trouble.

Fold PF

you just check raised and the guy called... he must have something like trips or two pair...

FOLD

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

you just check raised and the guy called... he must have something like trips or two pair...

FOLD

you just check raised and the guy called...


CHECK

Tournament play - he min bet the flop - he either has a weak ace or a 9x - possible trips but I doubt it...if he has 89 you're in trouble on the turn. 9T you're good - you have to bet the turn probably a bump up to 800 to see where you're at. He's the chip leader and is much more likely to bet middle pair weakly and call to see if he can two pair or trip up to beat you.

As far as tourney play goes, if you're going to play a weak ace here you at least have to weak bet the flop...owise you get yourself into this goofy situation...

I would not apply this to cash ring 9-10 max as the obvious answer has already been stated - fold preflop.

Just to close this out -

I ended up forcing the situation by pushing on the turn. I had the opp on a weak Ace. (this was a potentially foolhardy move, but I went with my read). I also wanted to have the opp make the tough decision.

Opp called and turned over A6.

River was a K, counterfeiting my hand . We chopped the pot; this was the second large pot that I chopped where I was ahead and was in position to double up...