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 Originally Posted by salsa4ever
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Originally Posted by salsa4ever
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
I still stand by my opinion that villain's call is at worst defensible and at best correct.
I dont think ive every more vehemently disagreed with any statement.
This statement is, to me, saying call an all in on a board that has four to a straight with a pair.
If you think villain's call is wrong, then doesn't that make pushing correct? If pushing is correct, doesn't that make villain's call correct?
You can't look at it in isolation
If the pairs were AA and KK then of course you're right
If it's a 200 bet into a 10 pot then yeah
takeit68 raises [$4].
onokine folds.
HUI_Index calls [$4].
nutsinho calls [$4].
chicotime folds.
asdf808 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Kc, 3d ]
takeit68 bets [$6].
HUI_Index raises [$12].
nutsinho raises [$28].
What does that line represent? How often is that top pair and how often is that a set? (consequently how often does that line represent a nut flush draw or air)
Im enjoying this discussion btw
I couldn't say.
Obviously OP's play proves that air is always a possibility. But villain should probably have done something other than call with a low flush draw facing a half pot raise and being OOP for the rest of the hand. Villain's flop call sux. Either push it on a semi bluff (which would have won him the hand on the spot) or fold it.
Given that this is a 200NL 6-max game, I'm beginning to like a flop push holding the low flush draw.
opp is calling $16 into a ~$60 pot which is pretty good odds to cahse the flush draw. Add to that villain's flop 3 bet suggests escalation here oop with only a draw is going to get messy (or thats my interpretation) as players don go round 3 betting lots even in position without a strong hand.
What im trying to figure out, for curiositys sake is what you think a flop 3 bet here represents in most cases. Once i know that i can try and understand why you call the river with a flush.
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