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UTG min raises, I re-raise and then he re-re-raises. Looks like AA to me but I hate laying down Kings preflop since I have no read. Whats your line?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter
UTG ($24.25)
MP ($8.98)
CO ($5)
Button ($18.75)
SB ($24.25)
Hero ($35.6)
Preflop: Hero is BB with :kc:, :kd:. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $0.5, 3 folds, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $3, UTG raises to $6, SB folds, Hero..............
Makes it $12 flat and doesn't even think about laying down. If he calls push on *any* flop after stalling for like 2 seconds.
What about a flop with an Ace on it or something like QQT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Too much money in the pot to second guess yourself (pushing would be a half pot bet.) Axx is a bitch, but I think there is better chance you're up against QQ/JJ than AK/AQ anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Les_worm
Call, hit a set, push on the flop.
Really though, it does look like AA but I'd push anyways because these fuckos show all kinds of junko down.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter
UTG ($24.25)
MP ($8.98)
CO ($5)
Button ($18.75)
SB ($24.25)
Hero ($35.6)
Preflop: Hero is BB with :kc:, :kd:. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $0.5, 3 folds, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $3, UTG raises to $6, SB folds, Hero raises to $30, UTG calls $18.25 (All-In).
Flop: ($55) :9h:, :9d:, :3s: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($55) :5d: (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($55) :ts: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $55
Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and nines).
UTG has Jd Js (two pair, jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $55.
What's your plan pre-flop? If you have the best hand here more often than not, a strong re-raise is certainly called for.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp
I like making it something like $12 because it gives him the most room to make mistake(s). By just pushing without a strong read you're making it too easy to get away from a worse hand.
Hmm...now that I have to think about it instead of just clicking that slider all the way over, here's what would go through my mind if we had half an hour to think b4 every action at the tables:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Id still say push preflop because when someone is willing to limp reraise that strongly that they are going to gleefully call an allin reraise with some stupid hand...even JJ. If they do fold, then you are still catching a 24x BB pot without a showdown and you have now shown them who's running the table. I think that someone who will limpreraise like that would call a min-raise to $12 if not push, so why not be the one pushing and why give them an easier decision? If you really think that a minraise here will get more money in the pot w/ a stronger hand HU then its ok, but really it seems like the guy is ready to gamble now and not postflop.
Putting this into perspective, this is equal to a $24 preflop raise at the 100NL where I play and that is enough of a pot to warrant pushing w/ KK IMO. A minraise to $12 may have been bad in les_worm's situation because with JJ the guy had more of a chance to see an overcard or 2 and get scared out of the pot (considering that half his stack is committed this may not change anything). But still, his mistake of limpreraising with such a hand is enough - he doesnt need any more room.
Sorry, I've been drinking and tend to ramble but if you can manage to wade through all the crap I just wrote then congratulations. Hopefully some of it even makes sense!
In 25NL I wouldn't hesitate to throw it all in here. You have the 2nd best hand, pay AA off, and get your money in the pot for a near-guaranteed call. Nice play.
Okay here's my obvious and maybe stupid read.
The more he pushes with reraises pre-flop the more confident I'd get with KK. If he has AA, great, fine, he's got me. Six-handed, I'll take that lump when it happens. But I expect that if he had AA he simply call my reraise, snickering under his breath, and hope to get even more money from me in later round.
The push-push-push makes me think he's got something like 99 and wants to scare me out before the flop comes with overcards to his pair.