A novel way to play a set..

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06-14-2005, 06:11 AM
spino1i

A novel way to play a set..

This guy admitted this the only way he'd go all in with his jacks.. (i.e. if i had pulled the classic turn raise he would have folded) but the move i pulled here seems so.. unorthodox! What do you think of this move? (By the way, the hand before this i had just gotten bad beaten, so he might have thought i was on tilt)

***** Hand History for Game 2205240529 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, June 14, 06:06:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 36724 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: BlackEcstasy ( $76.05 )
Seat 2: NickAKQ ( $91.85 )
Seat 3: SaintAjora ( $104.8 )
Seat 4: TMH000 ( $115.4 )
Seat 5: FourClover01 ( $136.1 )
Seat 6: MsMASTERMUCK ( $162.15 )
Seat 7: ModyIII ( $188.02 )
Seat 9: yearrgh ( $77.6 )
Seat 10: BearSuitMan ( $39.9 )
Seat 8: stack101 ( $96.75 )
MsMASTERMUCK posts small blind [$0.5].
ModyIII posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BlackEcstasy [ 4c 4h ]
BlackEcstasy: bad check on the river
>You have options at Table 37361 Table!.
stack101 folds.
yearrgh folds.
BearSuitMan folds.
BlackEcstasy calls [$1].
NickAKQ folds.
SaintAjora folds.
>You have options at Table 37361 Table!.
FourClover01 raises [$4].
MsMASTERMUCK calls [$3.5].
ModyIII calls [$3].
BlackEcstasy calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 6c, 4s ]
MsMASTERMUCK: apparantly
MsMASTERMUCK checks.
ModyIII checks.
BlackEcstasy checks.
FourClover01 bets [$12].
MsMASTERMUCK folds.
ModyIII folds.
BlackEcstasy is all-In [$72.05]
>You have options at Table 37361 Table!.
FourClover01 calls [$60.05].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
>You have options at Table 37146 Table!.
FourClover01 shows [ Js, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
BlackEcstasy shows [ 4c, 4h ] three of a kind, fours.
BlackEcstasy wins $157.1 from the main pot with three of a kind, fours.
06-14-2005, 11:20 AM
DimitriT

I don't know about AI there. He's obviously got a made hand which could
mean a big pair. He wouldn't play a set like that. This is a situation where I would slow play. In this case you got him to call your AI but a better player may fold here and you would lose value on your set.
06-14-2005, 01:12 PM
bair

he should have folded
06-14-2005, 04:18 PM
Muxy

Well you did get payed off sure thing. Good hand. You got the money that is what matters.
06-14-2005, 04:22 PM
dalecooper

I don't think this is all that unorthodox. It's not "by the book" I guess, but I see it all the time. Aggressive players always play their hands fast and hope for calls from people who think they're bluffing.
06-14-2005, 08:30 PM
spino1i

ill tell you this.. he thought about it nearly the whole alloted time (like 30 seconds), and finally called. He was also extremely mad and on tilt after making that bad call lol

I was hoping to make it look like some sort of semi-bluff, like i was on a flush draw or something..
06-14-2005, 08:57 PM
dsaxton

It's cool that your opponent actually did call your all-in, but by making a smaller raise you almost guarantee winning a fairly large pot anyways. By moving all-in, you're risking winning next to nothing in favor of the very slight chance of winning a little more than you would've almost certainly won by making a standard raise and then perhaps smooth calling a reraise.

You're probably costing yourself potential winnings in the long run by making this play.
06-15-2005, 07:50 AM
Estrop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muxy

Well you did get payed off sure thing. Good hand. You got the money that is what matters.

I disagree. Just because you win in a certain suituation doesn't mean its always the right decision.
06-15-2005, 08:53 AM
spino1i

Well now that i think about it.. its sort of taking a risk on getting any money... theres prolly some chance he'll call and some chance he'll fold.. so prolly in the future will not try this. Though these all-ins are great when you are semi-bluffing!
06-15-2005, 09:40 AM
a500lbgorilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

ill tell you this.. he thought about it nearly the whole alloted time (like 30 seconds), and finally called. He was also extremely mad and on tilt after making that bad call lol

I was hoping to make it look like some sort of semi-bluff, like i was on a flush draw or something..

Reason enough to make a play like this.

Especially river-over bets. Those tilt people good.

Like 600 into a 200 pot when I make a straight.

Oh so sweet.

-'rilla
06-15-2005, 11:34 AM
Zangief

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

It's cool that your opponent actually did call your all-in, but by making a smaller raise you almost guarantee winning a fairly large pot anyways.

How big of a pot do you think he could take with this hand? The K and Q that come on the turn are both scare cards to the JJ player.
06-15-2005, 03:50 PM
Element187

Quote:

Originally Posted by DimitriT

I don't know about AI there. He's obviously got a made hand which could
mean a big pair. He wouldn't play a set like that. This is a situation where I would slow play. In this case you got him to call your AI but a better player may fold here and you would lose value on your set.

im going to disagree, smooth calling here gives people a chance to see the turn card.. if he has an overpair, he could catch his card, or someone hits their flush and your set sucks .

push to protect your hand from chasers.

or just bet into the preflop raiser before he has a chance to bet the flop, it will confuse him into thinking you have a pair on the board and his overpair is good, he will probably reraise you and you can push on him then.