Point to fold?

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07-14-2005, 04:02 PM
Irisheyes

Point to fold?

Is there a point where I should have folded this? This was about his second hand since he joined the table so I had no read. Should I have considered that he had the nut straight and folded?

RVP doesn't record stack sizes but I think I had approx. $11

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*** Export for: QKA23 Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 420974982 ***
Date: 7/14/2005 6:04:59 PM
Game: 420974982: Table: Riding High
Normal Table No Limit 0.10/0.20
Rake: 0.30
Seat: 1 Ryaan
Seat: 2 DanLT3
Seat: 3 Ansssgar
Seat: 4 YAJJA
Seat: 5 kermit123
Seat: 6 QKA23
Seat: 7 pl79 (Dealer)
Seat: 8 Nikodemus
Seat: 9 jonasrock
Seat: 10 EvilAllIn

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OpeningBetRound
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Nikodemus : Posts small blind 0.05
jonasrock : Posts big blind 0.10
Ryaan : Folds
DanLT3 : Folds
Ansssgar : Folds
YAJJA : Folds
kermit123 : Folds
QKA23 : Calls for 0.10
pl79 : Calls for 0.10
Nikodemus : Calls for 0.05
jonasrock : Checks
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Flop [ 10:spade: 9:spade: K:heart: ]
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Nikodemus : Checks
jonasrock : Checks
QKA23 : Bets 0.20
pl79 : Raises for 0.40
Nikodemus : Folds
jonasrock : Folds
QKA23 : Calls for 0.20
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Turn [Q:heart:]
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QKA23 : Bets 0.80
pl79 : Raises for 3.20
QKA23 : Calls for 2.40
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River [2:diamond:]
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QKA23 : Bets 1.00
pl79 : Went all-in 3.30
QKA23 : Calls for 2.30

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Showdown
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QKA23 [ KH, QH, JC, 10S, 9S - Straight ]
pl79 [ AH, KH, QH, JH, 10S - Straight ]

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Result
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Nikodemus Mucked Cards
jonasrock Mucked Cards
Ryaan Mucked Cards
DanLT3 Mucked Cards
Ansssgar Mucked Cards
YAJJA Mucked Cards
kermit123 Mucked Cards
QKA23 Showed Cards
pl79 Showed Cards (Winning) 13.90

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Community Cards
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[ 10S, 9S, KH, QH, 2D ]

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Players Cards
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Nikodemus [ -, - ]
jonasrock [ -, - ]
Ryaan [ -, - ]
DanLT3 [ -, - ]
Ansssgar [ -, - ]
YAJJA [ -, - ]
kermit123 [ -, - ]
QKA23 [ KD, JC ]
pl79 [ JH, AH ]
07-14-2005, 08:19 PM
a500lbgorilla

what are your cards? with sn are you?

-'rilla
07-14-2005, 08:50 PM
lowBoy

I assume he's QKA23 and he had JK.

On the flop you have top pair, good kicker and a gutshot straight draw. I'd re-raise him to $1 to find out where you stand.

Other than that, I don't think you can get away from this. The turn is the only place you can ditch this hand.
07-14-2005, 10:06 PM
a500lbgorilla

fold or raise preflop.

-'rilla
07-14-2005, 11:53 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowBoy

I'd re-raise him to $1 to find out where you stand.

I don't like to do this too often because it's often GIGO....
07-15-2005, 11:17 AM
Irisheyes

Oh yea, sorry, I'm QKA23 on 6.

'rilla I know what your saying, i've heard people saying this before but I've stopped PFRing with stuff like KJ and QJ at my lower limits because
1) I still get loads of callers up to 5 or 6 bb
2) I find that if I continuation rep my strength on the flop I always get calling chasers

I think its better to limp and flop TPGK or better, people wont respect strenght repping bets. They all have a "Lets see if hes bluffing" mindset.

Though in saying that a $1 bet on the flop could have knocked him off his OESD. Its hard to know, I need a bit of work on my reads.
07-15-2005, 11:49 AM
Drewbie

Quote:

'rilla I know what your saying, i've heard people saying this before but I've stopped PFRing with stuff like KJ and QJ at my lower limits because
1) I still get loads of callers up to 5 or 6 bb
2) I find that if I continuation rep my strength on the flop I always get calling chasers

Thats why I moved to 25$ NL.

Still lots of fish, but less people chase because "it's only .25 or .50"
07-15-2005, 02:11 PM
Element187

i found a fold ... preflop.
07-15-2005, 02:56 PM
lowBoy

GIGO = Garbage In Garbage Out?
07-15-2005, 03:29 PM
Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element187

i found a fold ... preflop.

Why shouldn't i play KJ in the CO?
07-16-2005, 04:27 AM
lowBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Why shouldn't i play KJ in the CO?

Becuase you're facing a raise. If a king or jack hits the flop, you can't be sure of your hand.

Either re-raise a good amount (2-3 x his raise) or fold. The re-raise will either take down the pot right there which is good, or if called it could set up a take down on the flop if it's checked/bet weakly. If you get re-raised preflop, then ditch the hand, move on.

Pulling the re-raise can have more profit, if you can be savvy postflop. I'd lean towards just folding though.