Sometimes all-in KK preflop hurts

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07-26-2005, 08:24 PM
outphase

Sometimes all-in KK preflop hurts

I figured I was gonna get all of my money in the center preflop to avoid anything nasty... just not this nasty. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($41.55)
Button ($101.50)
SB ($127.50)
BB ($75.15)
Hero ($84.95)
UTG+1 ($101.47)
MP1 ($101.40)
MP2 ($100)
MP3 ($99)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K:heart:, K:diamond:. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $20, 5 folds, MP2 calls $64.95.

Flop: ($91.45) 7:spade:, A:club:, A:spade: (2 players) [I stand up here at my comp and yell FUCK]

Turn: ($91.45) 4:diamond: (2 players)

River: ($91.45) 2:heart: (2 players)

Final Pot: $91.45

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
MP2 has Ad Ah (four of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins $91.45.
07-26-2005, 09:05 PM
lowBoy

The play is good. Result sucks.
07-26-2005, 09:56 PM
spino1i

You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher. At 100 NL too many clowns go all-in with too much stuff, you have to call everytime.
07-26-2005, 11:40 PM
Lukie

KK vs AA is just a nightmare situation preflop. If it makes you feel any better I'm sure your opponent laughed harder then he's ever laughed before when he quaded aces on the flop. :D

You played it right, the situations where it's correct to fold KK preflop are so few and far between that you just can't worry about a situation like this. You have to pay off AA here.

- Lukie
07-27-2005, 02:08 AM
lowBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher. At 100 NL too many clowns go all-in with too much stuff, you have to call everytime.

What situations do you find that you lay down KK? Have you successfully done it? I guess you never really know if you've been successful unless someone has already gone all in in addition to you and the another player raising.

The only situation I can imagine is getting re-raised twice, but NL100 is as high as I play.
07-27-2005, 06:11 AM
SinkRox

there was a thread recently regarding this explaining that infact, the more ppl allin pre-flop the better when you have KK.
07-27-2005, 03:37 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher.

How deep the money is is more important IMHO...
07-27-2005, 03:56 PM
boyobach

Check out this KK hand.

This is my 3rd hand at $100 NL having gained the confidence, belief and bankroll to move up from $50. This hurt.
***** Hand History for Game 2432969712 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 26, 13:42:07 EDT 2005
Table Table 36534 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MrKWM ( $121.40 )
Seat 2: beemmeup ( $108.85 )
Seat 3: RagedLuda ( $157 )
Seat 4: star55555 ( $110.80 )
Seat 5: Mr_Hawkes ( $128.73 )
Seat 6: Vtrain999 ( $88 )
Seat 8: hooper_jake ( $87 )
Seat 9: EJMCEO ( $57.55 )
Seat 10: UR_A_Douche ( $56.57 )
Seat 7: taffy_jones ( $98 )
beemmeup posts small blind [$0.50].
RagedLuda posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to taffy_jones [ Ks Kd ]
star55555 raises [$2].
Mr_Hawkes raises [$6].
Vtrain999 folds.
taffy_jones calls [$6].
hooper_jake folds.
EJMCEO folds.
UR_A_Douche folds.
MrKWM folds.
beemmeup raises [$14.50].
RagedLuda folds.
star55555 calls [$13].
Mr_Hawkes is all-In.
taffy_jones is all-In.
>You have options at Table 37570 Table!.
taffy_jones: big hand
beemmeup: wowzers
beemmeup is all-In.
beemmeup: ok
star55555 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 6d, 8c ]
taffy_jones: this is my first time at $100 NL :(
beemmeup: ill play
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
beemmeup shows [ Jh, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
star55555 shows [ Js, Jd ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
Mr_Hawkes shows [ Ac, Ah ] two pairs, aces and eights.
taffy_jones shows [ Ks, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $17.93 from side pot #3 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $3.90 from side pot #2 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $32.55 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $390 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights.

What were the JJ guys thinking??
07-27-2005, 06:13 PM
lowBoy

Ouch, yeah. That's a crazy amount of pocket pairs out there.

You made the right play though.
07-28-2005, 02:53 PM
Galapogos

Why did you only call the $6 bet with KK though? at 100NL that leaves a whole lot of unanswered questions about what your opponents are carrying. Everyone ended up all in anyway, but still...
07-28-2005, 03:40 PM
Zangief

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why did you only call the $6 bet with KK though? at 100NL that leaves a whole lot of unanswered questions about what your opponents are carrying. Everyone ended up all in anyway, but still...

I agree. With so many people left to act, you've got to reraise there. If you closed the betting, it would be less dangerous to try to trap.