blinds steal? Your play?

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08-01-2005, 04:01 PM
spino1i

blinds steal? Your play?

Villian is somewhat tight, havent really seen him do a whole lot yet. Whats your line here and why? Note that villain has a small stack here. Results to be posted soon.

***** Hand History for Game 2460653194 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 01, 16:02:10 EDT 2005
Table Table 48773 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: S_Fernwilter ( $158.90 )
Seat 3: AcesSuited27 ( $158.70 )
Seat 6: EvilEcstasy_ ( $471.80 )
Seat 4: noodle45 ( $125.85 )
Seat 5: Max_Power94 ( $104 )
Max_Power94 posts small blind [$2].
EvilEcstasy_ posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Jh Js ]
S_Fernwilter folds.
AcesSuited27 folds.
noodle45 raises [$20].
Max_Power94 folds.
EvilEcstasy_ ???
08-01-2005, 04:05 PM
stuck

reads?

I'd consider a re-raise to 70 or so with the intention of calling an all-in if it comes to that. Absent reads, you probably have the best hand here PF, no reason to give him a cheap three cards. Alternatively, I don't necessarily think flat-calling is a bad move either to gauge the flop. [and his play there of]

Maybe $70 is a tad aggressive, but so was his raise from the button w/no limpers. Could very well just be trying to pick up the blinds. Reads are very important in these situations.
08-01-2005, 04:07 PM
spino1i

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Originally Posted by stuck

reads?

I'd consider a re-raise to 70 or so with the intention of calling an all-in if it comes to that. Absent reads, you probably have the best hand here PF, no reason to give him a cheap three cards. Alternatively, I don't necessarily think flat-calling is a bad move either to gauge the flop.

flat calling here is problematic since you lack position and its likely an overcard will show on the flop.
08-01-2005, 04:10 PM
stuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuck

reads?

I'd consider a re-raise to 70 or so with the intention of calling an all-in if it comes to that. Absent reads, you probably have the best hand here PF, no reason to give him a cheap three cards. Alternatively, I don't necessarily think flat-calling is a bad move either to gauge the flop.

flat calling here is problematic since you lack position and its likely an overcard will show on the flop.

Indeed. It wouldn't be my first choice, but perhaps calling, and if an over other than an A comes down (which you should probably rightly be afraid of), throw out a feeler bet or just check so you can analyze his bet and if it smells of weakness, come over the top (I'd probably consider an all-in bet to be weak in this situation, though I could be terribly wrong). If it seems like a strong bet, lay it down.
08-01-2005, 04:28 PM
stuck

Re: blinds steal? Your play?

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Villian is somewhat tight, havent really seen him do a whole lot yet.

Does that mean you/he haven't/hasn't played many hands at the table yet, or he hasn't been very aggro? If the latter, fold PF.
08-01-2005, 04:43 PM
storm75m

Re: blinds steal? Your play?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

Villian is somewhat tight, havent really seen him do a whole lot yet.

If the latter, fold PF.

I can't lay this down pre-flop to a single raise (not a re-raise) that could possibly be a blind steal... But this is a tough situation... If your balls are big enough I just put him all-in. Queens kings or aces I think would raise a little less (maybe 3xBB instead of 5xBB) to try and get one of the blinds to tag along. From your HH's that I've seen so far, I think you're pushing, a more conservative approach would be to just fold and not worry about racing. You could just call and hope for a small flop or set, but I don't like that either. I push.
08-02-2005, 10:13 AM
Seabass

A realy hard hand. He is a small stack and you are oop without any good read. So push or fold as any other move is either putting you in a bad position or deep into the pot.

5bb is indeed abit heavy with AA/KK/QQ vs the blinds alone. So my guess is 2 high cards. And he will prolly fold those to a push. However, fold is a safe play and not wrong since you dont have any real read on him. I'm guessing you pushed and he slapped you.
08-02-2005, 08:46 PM
spino1i

I figured he wouldnt raise so much pre-flop and try to scare the blinds off with AA, KK, or QQ, so I thought I was ahead, and reraised him.

Results:
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$51].
vikinggrad has joined the table.
noodle45 is all-In [$105.85]
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$70.85].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Qs, 2s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
EvilEcstasy_ shows [ Jh, Js ] a pair of jacks.
noodle45 doesn't show [ Tc, Ts ] a pair of tens.
EvilEcstasy_ wins $251.70 from the main pot with a pair of jacks.
08-03-2005, 05:44 AM
Seabass

I would have pushed, why did you "only" reraise him and not push?
08-03-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Seabass

I would have pushed, why did you "only" reraise him and not push?

he might fold? Remember, you need a bigger hand to call than to bet or raise
08-03-2005, 09:05 AM
DimitriT

Reraise to $50.
Bet out on any flop not containing an A or K.
08-03-2005, 11:14 AM
Seabass

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seabass

I would have pushed, why did you "only" reraise him and not push?

he might fold? Remember, you need a bigger hand to call than to bet or raise

He might fold to a push aswell, I'm not talking about folding/calling here.

My point is that by only raising he might cold call, and then you have a bad position with a possible ugly flop and deep into the pot as the shortstack only have 70$ left and the pot is 100.

Since he think he is ahead (and most would agree), I think pushing is better. A check on a ugly flop would make most smallstacks push even if they didnt hit. (I'm only a NL100 player, so it might not be the same at 400)