Trips

***** Hand History for Game 2508861123 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 10, 00:14:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 36734 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: ewlee ( $223.40 )
Seat 5: General_KG ( $328.15 )
Seat 8: PokHerAll_In ( $200 )
Seat 9: hyatt15000 ( $0 )
Seat 6: EZBux ( $601.50 )
Seat 1: lowkey14 ( $199 )
Seat 7: Edirp ( $312.70 )
Seat 10: FreddieBeach ( $202.45 )
Seat 2: phantoon ( $198 )
Seat 3: BadBeatsRus ( $47 )
EZBux posts small blind [$1].
Edirp posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ewlee [ Jc Kd ]
PokHerAll_In folds.
FreddieBeach: what u have then
FreddieBeach folds.
lowkey14 folds.
phantoon calls [$2].
BadBeatsRus folds.
ewlee raises [$6].
General_KG folds.
EZBux folds.
General_KG: take my word, I have you beat
Edirp calls [$4].
phantoon calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 9s, Tc ]
Edirp checks.
phantoon bets [$10].
ewlee raises [$25].
Edirp folds.
phantoon calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
General_KG: you will call me if you have me beat
FreddieBeach: thanks for telling
phantoon bets [$40].
ewlee calls [$40].
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
phantoon is all-In [$127]
FreddieBeach: had KK
ewlee: CRAP...
General_KG: nh
ewlee: KJ.......
ewlee: man, if only I Had AJ....
ewlee: damn
ewlee folds.
phantoon does not show cards.
phantoon wins $273

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I just can't see him making this move with any hand I beat. Hell, the only legitimate hand I beat at this point is JQ, and I don't think he'd bet like that. A set owns me, KQ owns me, AJ owns me, and Jx where x is a kicker that is shown on the board owns me. But even so, I really wanted to call. Luckily, I came to my senses and didn't, but yeah.

I raised the flop to see where I stood. The second jack was interesting, to say the least. It made it so that I had just outdrawn any overpair, but that I would be completely owned by a set. I didn't want to raise the turn, because any overpair bails there and I only get called by a hand that beats me. When the A comes and he goes all in, I really don't think I can call. Am I missing something? Should I call here? Should I have played this differently to lose less money?

Thanks.

It seems very much like a busted draw for some reason. He donk bets all in? you'd think he'd let you bet because you've been agg the whole game. Maybe pushing on the turn would be reasonable.

Your opponent likely had AT offsuit, a bad suited Jack, or a busted draw. He tried to limp, got raised and just smooth called preflop. You raised his flop bet, and he just smooth called with 2 of the 4 biggest straight draw cards on the board. At that point you eliminate overpair almost certainly.

You had him. Ask yourself questions during the hand. Ask yourself what kind of hands make the actions he made.

On the turn you must raise him. It looks like the J helped him there (rather than scared him) so I would eliminate any straight draws. What you need to see is how strong his hand is with the inclusion of that J. In my mind (depending on the opp. ofcourse) a boat MAY raise here. But more importantly if he decided to slowplay his boat he MAY check to you on the river and you can check behind. I think that's the key play here to showing this down. I would raise the turn to $80 (pay another $40) and hope for cheap showdown. That would leave him with $80 on the river and he would have to think twice before committing that unless he has the boat and even then there's a chance he may try a slow play on you. I think the only other sensible option to playing this hand is to fold the turn.

I disagree, I think he had you. I'd put him on AA or AJ. Especially since you raised preflop, and you raised on the flop. He bet the whole way, which to me indicates an over pair or he hit TPTK on the flop. He doesn't reraise you in fear of you having 2 pair (JT). The river gives him the nuts, he goes all in. I'm guessing he had you beat the whole time. He might have even had pocket 9's.

It's always easy to speculate a busted draw when someone pushes, but pushing on a busted draw, when someone was betting with you and raised you a couple of times seems reckless to me. again, I wasn't at the table so I don't know how he played the rest of the game.

We've been here before. I just call the flop.

Fnord; that I can't understand at all. Why would I just call the flop? It doesn't tell me anything, and most hands that call my raise have me dominated. I figure an overpair may reraise and let me out of hte hand, or else a jack may just call.

The previous two hands, I'd taken the pots after raising, and I had a feeling people were starting to get suspicious. So I figured raising would be the appropriate action.

this hand sucks make it go away.

uh...what? How did that help, Greedo?

sorry, i actually thought i changed that.

i don't know what to say about this hand. to me, every decision is so borderline as to whether it might be right or wrong, i don't feel like i can really even give advice on it, and i don't really know who could. without some type of read on him this hand just sucks, and I guess you did play it the best it could be played.

Well, I wasn't necessarily looking for reassurance, greedo :), but I just wanted some other viewpoints.

But I wanted to LEARN from other people's viewpoints. I just struck me as kind of odd that you were like "this hand sucks, make it go away."