explain?

hmm....

ok, i am still pretty new to shorthanded. can anyone possibly explain this?

***** Hand History for Game 2550736286 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 17, 13:32:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 36609 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: rbmdwm ( $226.30 )
Seat 2: asthmatie ( $179.35 )
Seat 3: bigchips221 ( $202.02 )
Seat 4: Lepro_Can ( $310.45 )
Seat 6: Wahoo2006 ( $197.30 )
Seat 5: trypatience ( $198 )
asthmatie posts small blind [$1].
bigchips221 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 3d 9c ]
Lepro_Can folds.
trypatience calls [$2].
Wahoo2006 folds.
rbmdwm calls [$2].
asthmatie calls [$1].
bigchips221 raises [$6].
trypatience calls [$6].
rbmdwm folds.
asthmatie folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Js, Kd ]
bigchips221 bets [$15].
trypatience calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
bigchips221 bets [$45].
trypatience calls [$45].
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
bigchips221 is all-In [$134.02]
trypatience is all-In [$130]
bigchips221 shows [ Qh, 9d ] two pairs, kings and queens.
trypatience shows [ Ts, Qs ] two pairs, kings and queens.
bigchips221 wins $4.02 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and queens.
trypatience wins $199 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and queens.
bigchips221 wins $199 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and queens.

and afterward, they compliment each other on great bet, oh thanks great call. IMO, this is a HORRIBLE BET AND A HORRIBLE CALL, no?

The guy acting 1st, bigchips221, tries to buy it on every street. The guy acting after him flops mid pair and an OESD and calls him down. I don't think someone with a K would move AI on that river, they would probably value bet it so the call is ok I guess. The other calls are kind of iffy, buy hey you can't complain if the fish like to chase against bad odds and call huge bets with mid pair can you?

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Originally Posted by Greedo017

and afterward, they compliment each other on great bet, oh thanks great call. IMO, this is a HORRIBLE BET AND A HORRIBLE CALL, no?

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I think the river call is MUCH worse than the river allin bet. i'd have a hard time calling if i had a J much less a dumb Q. i was surprised to see neither had a K OR a J. but you're right, from the disinterested 3rd party presepective, i don't like either play when it comes down to it.

but this does illustrate something about 6MAX: because you end up headsup SO much more often than in full ring, the importance of opponent reads and isolation grows. playing headsup with this frequency makes your bad reads worse and your good reads better. now in this example, the reads these opponents had weren't very good (or maybe the read on the river caller WAS GREAT), we can't know for sure from the information presented here. however, you can see how important they were to the progression of the hand.

EP bets out 15 to see if he's up against a K and gets smoove called. then he does it again hard on the turn when the J falls. if he'd had a J there, wouldn't the set be likely to reraise back hard to prevent a lone A or 10 from catching the straight? When the final K fell, the EP felt as though his opponent did not have the boat, so he went for it. it's not likely he thought his Q was g00t, it's more likely he was playing against the cards he thought his opponent had.

reads, man, reads.

maybe this is reads, but IMO this is an out of control bluff that is going to bite him in the ass more often than its worth, followed by a decent call. I actually think the call was much better than the push: The push isn't pushing off a K or J. As here, its not always going to push off a Q. AT is somewhat possible too.

the caller at least might think the other guy has crap or an underpair and he will take it down. If the pusher makes this move 100 times he's broke.

yeah greedo, you're right. because you asked for it, i was really stetching to come up with some justification for those plays and that was the best i could do, considering how shitty they both were. but it turns out even the best reasoning i could come up with still wasn't good at all. it was a dumbass bluff followed by a marginal call. so i can assume that you were able to stack both of these sucka MCs shortly thereafter? i hope at least they gave you a little taste of that action.