Pretty standard right?

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11-02-2005, 03:54 AM
Fnord

Pretty standard right?

I've been posting a lot of hands I consider interesting, so I thought I'd post a pretty routine one for balance and so you all don't think I'm a total LAgg...

My opponent here is very aggro, kinda tricky and kinda tight with a few little quirks (like completing the SB with any 2.)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($150.95)
UTG+1 ($89.40)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($36.40)
MP3 ($110.25)
CO ($6.45)
Fnord ($106.10)
SB ($58.80)
BB ($80.40)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with Q:heart:, Q:club:.
4 folds, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold, Fnord raises to $3, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2.

Flop: ($7.50) 2:diamond:, T:diamond:, Q:diamond: (2 players)
MP3 bets $4, Fnord raises to $12, MP3 calls $8.

Turn: ($31.50) 7:heart: (2 players)
MP3 checks, Fnord bets $30, MP3 calls $30.

River: ($91.50) 9:diamond: (2 players)
MP3 checks, Fnord checks.

Final Pot: $91.50
11-02-2005, 04:47 AM
Pingviini

Standard.

I dont like raising just 3x after a limper because I feel that the raise doesnt thin the field enough. And I dont personally want more than 1-2 callers when I have a hand like this. It happened here though.. I see you almost always raising 3x. Any particular thought process behind it? Otherwise exactly the play I would've played it.

How much were you willing to call on the river if he bet?
11-02-2005, 05:08 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingviini

I dont like raising just 3x after a limper because I feel that the raise doesnt thin the field enough. And I dont personally want more than 1-2 callers when I have a hand like this. It happened here though.. I see you almost always raising 3x. Any particular thought process behind it?

In this game it's getting the job done and it builds a nice little pot. I might start bumping it up a bit, still building up a style. I've given up on the concept of pushing pre-flop edges in this game and pretty much just build pots and steal buttons.

Am I unhappy if the big blind calls $2 with a dogshit hand out of position?

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Originally Posted by Pingviini

How much were you willing to call on the river if he bet?

Great question, glad I wasn't put to the test.
11-02-2005, 05:25 AM
mxiu

I would raise the flop to 16... To me it seems as though people are more willing to call vast overbets with their A diamond more often with a 3 diamond flop. Other than that, it's pretty standard.
11-02-2005, 05:40 AM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by mxiu

I would raise the flop to 16...

Part of my thinking was to give my aggro opponent (we both have a history of pushing into each other, so far without a call) room to play back at me. Also, with such a strong hand, I really wanted at least a call.
11-02-2005, 05:58 AM
mxiu

Why would you want them to play back at you? On a 3 diamond board, I want to take the pot down as quick as possible to avoid being in these situations. If they want to make the mistake of calling their diamond, then they'll have to pay dearly for it.
11-02-2005, 06:08 AM
Pingviini

Fnord, no you are happy if BB calls with crap, but you should be unhappy if you get 4 callers with crap in deep stack poker. But as stated, this is really table dependent and if 3x does the trick here then g00t.

mxiu: if a call with a diamond is good, why isnt playing back with A diamond even better. This is an even bigger mistake by the villain.

Fnord, more questions. If he played back at you on the flop. Would you have just called expecting him naturally to make a bet on turn and what would you do on turn OR would you have rererereraised his ass on the flop with the intention to get all the money possible in the pot on flop?
11-02-2005, 06:14 AM
mxiu

Ping - I think that's read dependant. I don't see very many tight players making that play.
11-02-2005, 02:29 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxiu

Why would you want them to play back at you? On a 3 diamond board, I want to take the pot down as quick as possible to avoid being in these situations.

"I almost always have the best hand and I hope you fold?" WTF kind of loser thinking is that?
11-02-2005, 02:30 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Fnord, more questions. If he played back at you on the flop. Would you have just called expecting him naturally to make a bet on turn and what would you do on turn OR would you have rererereraised his ass on the flop with the intention to get all the money possible in the pot on flop?

Re-raise! If he has the flush, then good for him.

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Originally Posted by Pingviini

Fnord, no you are happy if BB calls with crap, but you should be unhappy if you get 4 callers with crap in deep stack poker.

If I get 4 callers here I'm sending a love letter to PokerStars support, DUCY?
11-02-2005, 02:36 PM
thirteen

Re: Pretty standard right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I've been posting a lot of hands I consider interesting, so I thought I'd post a pretty routine one for balance and so you all don't think I'm a total LAgg...

I like the discussion this post has generated thus far and would like to see more "standard" hands histories from the experienced players so that we can learn by asking questions regarding the thought process behind the moves.
11-02-2005, 02:36 PM
EricE

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxiu

Why would you want them to play back at you? On a 3 diamond board, I want to take the pot down as quick as possible to avoid being in these situations. If they want to make the mistake of calling their diamond, then they'll have to pay dearly for it.

I was thinking the same as you till I realized one opp saw the flop with him. I am not going to be afraid the one opp that saw the flop with me has the flush. I am too used to having 5+ to the flop. I play very loose tables.
11-02-2005, 02:38 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricE

I was thinking the same as you till I realized one opp saw the flop with him. I am not going to be afraid the one opp that saw the flop with me has the flush. I am too used to having 5+ to the flop. I play very loose tables.

He's also an "aggo, trickly, kinda TAggy player" and he limp called pre-flop. What range of hands do you think he has?
11-02-2005, 02:40 PM
thirteen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Fnord, more questions. If he played back at you on the flop. Would you have just called expecting him naturally to make a bet on turn and what would you do on turn OR would you have rererereraised his ass on the flop with the intention to get all the money possible in the pot on flop?

Re-raise! If he has the flush, then good for him.

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Originally Posted by Pingviini

Fnord, no you are happy if BB calls with crap, but you should be unhappy if you get 4 callers with crap in deep stack poker.

If I get 4 callers here I'm sending a love letter to PokerStars support, DUCY?

If he plays back and you reraise again, then get a call, what move do you make on the turn? Check and give up the hand to a bet?

How do you play this flop with 2-3 people seeing?
11-02-2005, 02:44 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by thirteen

If he plays back and you reraise again, then get a call, what move do you make on the turn?

At that point we're probably both potstruck and all the money is getting into the middle reguardless of the turn card.

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Originally Posted by thirteen

How do you play this flop with 2-3 people seeing?

Pretty much the same. Too many worse hands give me action to even dream of laying down to a flush or not giving lots of action. There are some spots I'm willing to lose lots of money, top set on a mono-tone board in a raised pot is one of them.
11-02-2005, 02:47 PM
UG

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricE

I was thinking the same as you till I realized one opp saw the flop with him. I am not going to be afraid the one opp that saw the flop with me has the flush. I am too used to having 5+ to the flop. I play very loose tables.

He's also an "aggo, trickly, kinda TAggy player" and he limp called pre-flop. What range of hands do you think he has?

I'm putting this guy on a set, too, and you win the pot (unless he has a diamond then you are screwed).
11-02-2005, 02:48 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

I'm putting this guy on a set, too, and you win the pot (unless he has a diamond then you are screwed).

If he has a flopped set and a diamond, then that's another great reason to send a love letter to PokerStars support ;)
11-02-2005, 02:51 PM
UG

I am teh retard. :)

1) Your beat, he flopped a flushie, and you lose your money.
2) He flopped a set, but is scared of the flush, especially on the river (he may think you have AQ, with your A being a diamond).
3) He flopped two pair and is scared of the flush so he's calling this one all the way down.
4) He has AQ with an Ad, and you sir have just been rivered.

I doubt he's chasing the flush here if you say he was a good player...I think he thinks he has a made hand but the board scares him, so he'll just call you all the way down.

What were the results?
11-02-2005, 02:56 PM
EricE

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricE

I was thinking the same as you till I realized one opp saw the flop with him. I am not going to be afraid the one opp that saw the flop with me has the flush. I am too used to having 5+ to the flop. I play very loose tables.

He's also an "aggo, trickly, kinda TAggy player" and he limp called pre-flop. What range of hands do you think he has?

Limp call for me would be PP, SC/gapper (T or lower). You describe him as tight so we might be able to remove the SC/Gappers. Given that, I am even more willing to play aggressively here. If he has a set we are in the money.
11-02-2005, 03:10 PM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by Ultimate George

What were the results?

He had red Kings.
11-02-2005, 03:16 PM
UG

That blows. Well played, though.
11-02-2005, 03:46 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

That blows. Well played, though.

Told ya he was tricky.

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