Not so happy laggy

Having made 4 buyins at 100nl yesterdday i decided id sit down at a table with a player who i try to avoid. Hes a good laggy player and while i can play against him its basically 50/50 as to who gets the others stack. Also sitting here was a tight player who avoides me but i have respect for as i know he can play.
Both players are playing their normal games, tagg is taggy, lagg is laggy. But i noticed an increasing trend later as the tagg player began reraising the lagg preflop on several occasions (both are pretty deep stacked) After seeing a few show downs it appered that the tagg player was reraising the lagg with any hand he would raise preflop with (AA-TT AK/AQ/AJ even AT)
the strategy was pretty succesful even after the laggy player called down a few times.
My question, especially to someone like pingviini who i know is a laggy player is how well would this strategy work. The tagg rerasied to 9bbs each time and would bet regardless, but did have the balls to check low flops and fold to laggs betting. Is it profitable to play like this against a good lagg player?

Yes. You have to be decent post-flop though; sometimes the lagg is going to waltz into some shit and you have to get out of the way.

i wouldnt call myself a good lagg player yet, but i'm getting there and i understand some of the theory.. (i think, someone more expierienced correct me if i'm wrong)

basically, if lagg is raising a weak hand he is raising it either to take the pot down at the flop or for some huge ass implied odds to destack someone. Now if you reraise your better hand to more than 1/10th your stack then laggs implied odds have been thrown out the window. Which is just the 10x rule in the opposite direction.

practical example.

seat1 - you, 100bb stack
seat2 - lagg, 100 bb stack

lagg raises to 4BB
(the size of your raise must be atleast 1/10, not raise to 1/10th)
you raise to 20BB

lagg hits flop 1 in 10 times, if lagg wins your entire stack the time he hits, and folds every other time, he loses 9 x 20BB (180BB) for every time you lose your 100bb. Therefore.. if you go AI on the flop every time, then it doesnt matter if you get called and lose every so often because the overall play is a winner.

Obviously it isnt as simple as that because i havent taken into account redraw odds or the fact that lagg may not call that raise unless he actually has a hand.. but you can see where its heading.

And from expierience, whilst playing laggy, when someone starts getting some guts and raising me it really starts to swing me round and it takes alot of discipline not to start throwing away money...

Really though.. playing a good lagg player isnt really a profitable situation, they are the kings of poker, play revolves around them and you'd best look out or you gonna lose money.

this is some good thinking i like it

the trouble is that it lagg every so often is gonna have a decent hand when this happens, and thats gonna screw you up, particularly if he's folding to the reraises and then jumps on you with KK... and its gonna take guts to push hard on the flop with AK unimproved.. but then again, he's not gonna call you with 7 high under any circumstance, and if he gets wise to you and calls with pair Js or somethin, then you got outs.

yeah
the taggy player didnt bet out at every flop. Basically it was good solid play. He checked flops at times and just let them go to a bet, but was also quite prerpared to check raise and reraise the flop

I actually really hate coming up against a good lagg player.. they are such an unprofitable situation...

In my opinion, being good at lagg is the highest level of poker, it requires the most skill. A lagg player can manipulate the entire table, play is centered around him/her.. and its difficult to combat.. the camping style game is useless against these guys.. you camp for a set, but the fucker folds cos he was raising 45 suited.. you get aggressive and they swap gears and destack you when they make a hand, and they are hard to read because they raise such a huge variety of hands and are prepared to bet out with nothing on a regular basis...

The whole issue is that your putting yourself up against a good player, and why would you want to do that??

A bad lagg player on the other hand... :wink:

BIGandRICH said it, stay away from the good players and go after the bad.

just a little tidbit that ive found useful. might not work at the highest stakes

be insanely laggy pf

laggy on the flop

be tag on the turn

be taggiest on the river

you minimize risk and maximize good showdowns this way. your image is crazy but your bluffs are small and you only get involved in huge pots when you have a hand

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Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

just a little tidbit that ive found useful. might not work at the highest stakes

be insanely laggy pf

laggy on the flop

be tag on the turn

be taggiest on the river

you minimize risk and maximize good showdowns this way. your image is crazy but your bluffs are small and you only get involved in huge pots when you have a hand

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exactly the way i approach it...