Table talk pays off

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11-23-2005, 04:39 PM
IOS

Table talk pays off

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($79.65)
BB ($23.60)
UTG ($53.45)
MP ($10.35)
CO ($56.15)
Button ($24.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:club:, 8:club:.
UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) 4:spade:, 8:heart:, 2:club: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Button folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($14.50) 9:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: ($14.50) K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $24, Hero raises to $73.65, UTG calls $23.45 (All-In).

Final Pot: $135.60

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac 8c (flush, ace high).
UTG has 9h 9d (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $135.60.

Here was the chat on the river.

IOS: bets $12
BigPoppaJoe: raises $12 to $24
IOS said, "dammit"
BigPoppaJoe said, ":)"
IOS said, "did you slowplay a set?"
BigPoppaJoe said, "no"
IOS said, "i don't think you have it"
IOS: raises $49.65 to $73.65 and is all-in
BigPoppaJoe: calls $23.45 and is all-in
BigPoppaJoe said, "have to"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IOS: shows [Ac 8c] (a flush, Ace high)
BigPoppaJoe: mucks hand
IOS collected $106.40 from pot
BigPoppaJoe said, "thought so"
BigPoppaJoe said, "nh"
IOS said, "ty"
11-23-2005, 05:19 PM
EricE

Re: Table talk pays off

Quote:

Originally Posted by IOS

BigPoppaJoe said, "thought so"

Yeah dummy? then why did you call. hehe.
11-23-2005, 05:47 PM
STIdrivr

he was calling anyway
11-23-2005, 05:54 PM
rubixstreub

Quote:

Originally Posted by STIdrivr

he was calling anyway

agreed, but I still dont' think I've ever seen someone talking like they're behind and then push :)

you were just rubbing it in that you had him by the balls.
11-24-2005, 01:12 PM
BankItDrew

Nice one!

My table talk story is just like that...

In a live game the guy on my right was a noob and played everything. when the board came 10c Jc Qd 3c Ad, I noticed he got ectra excited when the Ace hit. I put him on K4o with the straight.

I hit the flush on the turn and slowplayed it. He bet big on the river and I sat and thought for a moment. I looked at him and said "There's no way you have a king." I pushed AI, he quickly calls and turns over K4o.
11-28-2005, 01:35 PM
STIdrivr

8/10 times i have seen someone say something stupid like "you dont have that 9" when the board is 99J they have the 9. That is just from my experience

Edit: doesnt mean i wouldnt of called with the set though
11-28-2005, 02:29 PM
ThelVlaster

I once laid down a set, after someone went all in and started talking on chat. It seems like when they are bluffing they definitely don't talk, much like in Mike Caro's book of Poker Tells he says that players typically hold their breath and try not to show any emotion whatsoever when bluffing, but when a player starts a calm conversation, that usually means he has a monster and is not afraid of losing the hand.

I always talk in chat when the villian goes all-in, see what he says and if he responds at all.
11-28-2005, 05:46 PM
IowaSkinsFan

yeah like he said, that was actually a tell from Caro's book of tells.
11-28-2005, 06:36 PM
mouteut

Thats actually a table talk i use a lot(tell them their hand and act like your sure they don't have it and then push).

Off topic but, is it legal to rep a hand as table talk..for example in this hand "Haha you can't beat my A4" and then push That is something i LOVE to use(i have some monster flush or straight and i know my opponement has 2 two pair and i tell them they can't beat my AA).

I also love to tell them the hand im reping when im bluffing. For example if i didn't have flush on this board and i wanted to bluff a tough opponement i would say something like this: "7 high flush good?" , then debate a little, then push

In short, when i have a monster i try to tell them i have an ok hand but weaker than theirs, and when i bluff i try to tell them what i'm reping since im scared they're too dumb to see it themselves.
11-30-2005, 09:15 AM
Ugly Ed

I read this post and thought I would give it a try if I had the chance. This was in a SNG. I used a different line than "I dont think you have it". I went the with "I hate letting this go" as if I was on a draw I wanted to catch. It worked the player bet all their chips into me. I said it after the Turn. When the River came down a 2. They probably thought I missed my draw, and figured they had me beat. I know it wasnt a great hand to play, but I had the chips and limped in from SB. He caould have also had a 6 with a better kicker, I figured I have to go with the set. Pay him off if he had it.

Game #1123237177 (Level IV, Game #3) - 30/60 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/11/30-07:28:07.1 (CST)
Table "Makatea" ($10 tournament) -- Seat 8 is the button
Seat 3: mgchnds69 (910.00 in chips)
Seat 4: greenbayjame (1,110.00 in chips)
Seat 5: orangekid (1,160.00 in chips)
Seat 6: Pitstop1099 (1,480.00 in chips)
Seat 7: scon lady (2,335.00 in chips)
Seat 8: plmoknijb (740.00 in chips)
Seat 10: Ugly Ed (2,265.00 in chips)
Ugly Ed : Post Small Blind (30)
mgchnds69: Post Big Blind (60)
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ 6c ]
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Td ]
Ugly Ed said, "gg"
Pitstop1099 said, "thx"
1millertime said, "this site"
greenbayjame: Fold
orangekid: Fold
Pitstop1099: Fold
scon lady: Fold
plmoknijb: Call (60)
Ugly Ed : Call (30)
mgchnds69: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 6h 6d Jh ]
Ugly Ed : Check
mgchnds69: Check
plmoknijb: Bet (100)
Ugly Ed : Call (100)
mgchnds69: Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 6h 6d Jh ] [ 2s ]
Ugly Ed : Check
plmoknijb: Bet (210)
Ugly Ed said, "i hate letting this go"
Ugly Ed : Call (210)
*** RIVER *** : [ 6h 6d Jh 2s ] [ 7d ]
Ugly Ed : Check
plmoknijb: Bet (370)
Ugly Ed : Call (370)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 1,540 | Board: [ 6h 6d Jh 2s 7d ]
mgchnds69 lost 60 (folded)
greenbayjame didn't bet (folded)
orangekid didn't bet (folded)
Pitstop1099 didn't bet (folded)
scon lady didn't bet (folded)
plmoknijb lost 740 (showed hand) [ 3d 3s ] (two pair, sixes and threes)
Ugly Ed bet 740, collected 1,540, net +800 (showed hand) [ 6c Td ] (three of a kind, sixes)
12-01-2005, 01:39 AM
Ugly Ed

I tried it again. Player may have done it anyway. I think what I said may have helped though.

Game #1124943392 (Level I, Game #1) - 5/10 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/01-00:28:18.7 (CST)
Table "Shell Island" ($5 tournament) -- Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: nismodub (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 2: colbyp17 (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 3: AaronEpp (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 4: redstates11 (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Murd0c (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 6: billiedawn (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Duey The Ox (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 8: ramsfan775 (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 9: powerplay28 (1,000.00 in chips)
Seat 10: Ugly Ed (1,000.00 in chips)
colbyp17: Post Small Blind (5)
AaronEpp: Post Big Blind (10)
Dealing...
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Kc ]
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Kd ]
redstates11: Fold
Murd0c : Fold
Ugly Ed said, "any1 want to go all in?"
billiedawn: Call (10)
Duey The Ox: Fold
ramsfan775: Call (10)
powerplay28: Fold
Ugly Ed : Raise (70)
nismodub: Fold
colbyp17: Fold
ramsfan775 said, "lol youre kidding me"
AaronEpp: Fold
Ugly Ed said, "no"
billiedawn: Call (60)
Ugly Ed said, "lot of ppl do it"
Ugly Ed said, "1st hand"
ramsfan775: Call (60)
*** FLOP *** : [ Tc 7s Kh ]
Ugly Ed said, "nm"
billiedawn: Check
ramsfan775: Bet (110)
Ugly Ed : Call (110)
billiedawn: Call (110)
*** TURN *** : [ Tc 7s Kh ] [ 4c ]
billiedawn: Check
ramsfan775: Bet (820)
Ugly Ed said, "hey"
Ugly Ed said, "I said nm"
Ugly Ed : Call All-in (820)
ramsfan775 said, "lol"
billiedawn: Fold
*** RIVER *** : [ Tc 7s Kh 4c ] [ Jc ]
ramsfan775 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 2,195 | Board: [ Tc 7s Kh 4c Jc ]
nismodub didn't bet (folded)
colbyp17 lost 5 (folded)
AaronEpp lost 10 (folded)
redstates11 didn't bet (folded)
Murd0c didn't bet (folded)
billiedawn lost 180 (folded)
Duey The Ox didn't bet (folded)
ramsfan775 lost 1,000 (showed hand) [ 4d 4s ] (three of a kind, fours)
powerplay28 didn't bet (folded)
Ugly Ed bet 1,000, collected 2,195, net +1,195 (showed hand) [ Kc Kd ] (three of a kind, kings)
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12-01-2005, 09:29 AM
Gareth

Quote:

In a live game the guy on my right was a noob and played everything. when the board came 10c Jc Qd 3c Ad, I noticed he got ectra excited when the Ace hit. I put him on K4o with the straight.

Quote:

I hit the flush on the turn and slowplayed it. He bet big on the river and I sat and thought for a moment. I looked at him and said "There's no way you have a king." I pushed AI, he quickly calls and turns over K4o.

BankItPayette - I'm intrigued - how did you put him on K4o? - I can see why you put him on the K put knowing his kicker as well.
12-01-2005, 01:23 PM
PokerPatNEU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Ed

ramsfan775: Bet (820)
Ugly Ed said, "hey"
Ugly Ed said, "I said nm"
Ugly Ed : Call All-in (820)

Lol you don't need to table talk him into making a mistake when he has already acted and all you need to do is hit the call button with the nuts. This hand would have played out exactly the same whether you table talked or not.
12-01-2005, 02:57 PM
BankItDrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth

Quote:

In a live game the guy on my right was a noob and played everything. when the board came 10c Jc Qd 3c Ad, I noticed he got ectra excited when the Ace hit. I put him on K4o with the straight.

Quote:

I hit the flush on the turn and slowplayed it. He bet big on the river and I sat and thought for a moment. I looked at him and said "There's no way you have a king." I pushed AI, he quickly calls and turns over K4o.

BankItPayette - I'm intrigued - how did you put him on K4o? - I can see why you put him on the K put knowing his kicker as well.

Calling the King was easy, my internal crystal ball said 4 off. It was the most accurate read I've made on a player before. It's too bad I didn't say the 4 out loud like "I bet you don't have K4..."
12-01-2005, 03:35 PM
PokerPatNEU

Guessing his kicker isn't really a read, just a guess, but still funny and i have a similar story.

I was playing a noobish cousin over thanksgiving break, and made a relatively average for the table sized pre flop raise of 4BB with QQ from MP. He called me from the SB. Flop is something like 238 rainbow, all lower than Q. He checks, i bet, he calls. Turn is another blank, 6 or 9 or something. He checks, i bet 1/2 the pot, he calls again. River is an A, he goes all in with what is about a pot sized bet. About 2/3rds of my chips are in the pot at this point. I know i have lost the hand but if i fold I am pretty much screwed. I tell him i know what he is holding and if i'm wrong that he can have the rest of my chips, but if i'm right I have to give him the pot. He (stupidly) agreed. I guessed A5o and was right on the ball, i take down the pot.

I knew it was lower than AT or i would ahve expected a reraise pre flop. I knew he didn't hit a pair on the flop or he would have bet it. That left me with Ax where x could be only 3 different low cards. I looked at it as taking a 2:1 gamble against, getting 5:1 odds (the pot had 5x my remainign stack) and it paid off :D. Nh cousin!
12-02-2005, 02:39 AM
ChrisBCritter

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU

Guessing his kicker isn't really a read, just a guess, but still funny and i have a similar story.

I was playing a noobish cousin over thanksgiving break, and made a relatively average for the table sized pre flop raise of 4BB with QQ from MP. He called me from the SB. Flop is something like 238 rainbow, all lower than Q. He checks, i bet, he calls. Turn is another blank, 6 or 9 or something. He checks, i bet 1/2 the pot, he calls again. River is an A, he goes all in with what is about a pot sized bet. About 2/3rds of my chips are in the pot at this point. I know i have lost the hand but if i fold I am pretty much screwed. I tell him i know what he is holding and if i'm wrong that he can have the rest of my chips, but if i'm right I have to give him the pot. He (stupidly) agreed. I guessed A5o and was right on the ball, i take down the pot.

I knew it was lower than AT or i would ahve expected a reraise pre flop. I knew he didn't hit a pair on the flop or he would have bet it. That left me with Ax where x could be only 3 different low cards. I looked at it as taking a 2:1 gamble against, getting 5:1 odds (the pot had 5x my remainign stack) and it paid off :D. Nh cousin!

Very nice. :o
12-02-2005, 09:29 AM
Gareth

BankItPayette - the force is strong in you :wink:

got to love noobs - preflop look down at their cards and see K4o - they must think I've got a K thats the second best unpaired hand you can start with :lol: - i'll call that raise.

Quote:

He (stupidly) agreed

Its a cruel game :twisted:
12-02-2005, 09:53 AM
Rondavu

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU

I tell him i know what he is holding and if i'm wrong that he can have the rest of my chips, but if i'm right
I have to give him the pot.

Oops. Heads you win tails I lose?
12-02-2005, 10:52 AM
r8ed

I had AK yesterday and called a preflop raise. The flop came out QJT. He bet and I reraised. He said "AK?" and then pushed. I replied "Good Guess". He put me on the hand but still pushed. Not that him pushing was a bad play, but if you know AK, then wtf?