suited connectors in NL

how do you usually play them? i'm more used to the limit game and the pot odds there help you but what about NL?

do you call raises with them using the 5/10 rule? and what if you hit a flop draw, do you go all in right there or just call/ semi bluff with a small raise? i know it depends on the player but is the all in on a flop draw profitable at lower stakes since the fishes call so often with tp or worse? i play 6max so i'm more interested in how to play them here instead of a full ring. :oops:

an ex:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($42)
UTG ($29.20)
MP ($16.20)
CO ($30.50)
Hero ($102.10)
SB ($52.61)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7:club:, 6:club:. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, BB raises to $1.5, CO calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8) 3:club:, 8:heart:, 9:spade: (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4, CO calls $4, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $16


i folded because i didn't think the implied odds were there and the T wasn't giving me the nuts. how should i have played it in this situation or if all the the outs gave me nuts?

Depends how loose you want to be.
If i pick them up its a 4bb raise automatically, and i rep the flop or hope to pick up a nice draw and play accordingly. I think a lot of people like to raise them up simly fr th fact that you can buy the pot regardless, but limping is an option too.
Imo remeber at no linit we can raise rep the flop take down the pot a lot of times therefore raising has to be an option. Of course if we flop a big draw then we often get paid too

You don't have great implied odds here, but I might call this bet on the flop and shut down if I miss the turn card. One of them probably has an overpair and you might win a big pot if you hit the straight on the turn. You will presumably have to call a much larger bet on the turn, so that's why I call this on the flop while it's relatively cheap. The T doesn't give you the nuts, but it gives you what would most likely be the winning straight unless somebody with QJ was calling with a gutshot (not a good play BTW). So like I said, call this on the flop and fold if you don't hit your straight on the turn.

Easy call on the flop imo. Just the implied odds of hitting the 5 make it a good call.

if you dont call here with the SC, what flop ARE you looking for?

Yeah I call this every time. If for no other reason, call because you have great pot odds. When you play suited connectors most of the time you will only flop a draw instead of the straight or the flush. If you're going to fold them to a bet everytime you don't flop a made hand, then you're better off just folding preflop.

Getting back to the hand, you are in a great position here. You have a very well disguised draw in position against a bet and a call which means monster implied odds. Just imagine if a 5 or T falls on the turn. AA or KK will not slow down one bit and you can take their stack like candy from a baby. If a club hits the turn, that's 7 more outs. Also, why are you so worried about J7 and QJ? Those hands are very unlikely, and if you do hit a T and lose to them, just make a note, reload, and it won't be long before you take their stack.

I need a really good meta-game reason to call here. 19 out of 20 times this is raise or fold for me.

Folding for $4 on this flop is really horrible.

Don't play suited connectors if you're going to butcher them so horribly.

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i folded because i didn't think the implied odds were there and the T wasn't giving me the nuts. how should i have played it in this situation or if all the the outs gave me nuts?

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So, you decided to play SC's, flopped a VERY GOOD flop (OESD) and fold to such a meek bet?! This flop and your late position is the time when youactually USE your table image and raise hard on semibluff to get folds around (if you have tight image and decided to rep the flop) or get paid off if you hit. If you stick around only on something like 777 flop, well you could also play 72 offsuit the same way...and it's piddling the money away.

SC's are implied odds hands but you have to know your opponents. You must know if they are able to make laydowns OR are stubborn nits and go to the river with their unimproved AA. You must know what hands are you trying to beat/outplay postflop and know potential payoff. Playing SC's "just to hit that jackpot flop" is just what fishes do. Those are hands for tricky players, so you gotta be tricky and raise it with gusto :)

Showdown value of SC's is only when you hit big, in rest of situation you have to play the players and represent the board if you think they are scared of it (like overcards for pocket pairs, coordination/flushes for made pairs /overpairs).

I dont understand the value of a semi-bluff raise here when Ive position on 3 opps and little fold equity. Why not just take the nice price on your draw, keep all 3 in the pot and hope one of them pays you off?

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Originally Posted by jailhousejoe

I dont understand the value of a semi-bluff raise here when Ive position on 3 opps and little fold equity. Why not just take the nice price on your draw, keep all 3 in the pot and hope one of them pays you off?

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I agree if i am drawing to the top end. But chasing the bottom end is not a great idea. Its probably safe against the preflop raiser, but who knows what the others have.

I don't think I'd reraise here unless I was pretty sure I could win the pot right then and there. There's no reason to semi-bluff when you know nobody's folding.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

I need a really good meta-game reason to call here. 19 out of 20 times this is raise or fold for me.

Folding for $4 on this flop is really horrible.

Don't play suited connectors if you're going to butcher them so horribly.

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So you are saying that the only option here is to raise. I would agree if we had some reads here but since we dont calling is an option as well, not the best one though. One of the situations in my opinion where folding is the worst option. 1-4 odds are good here to justify a play as weak as call if you think that there is a chance that he has an overpair. If this looks like his normal cbet I would tend to raise to $16 or so and take the pot (or a free card on turn).

Call definatly, I don't like to reraise here (tho I usualy do with a strong draw and position) simply because its asking for a push from AA/KK/cheeky set, ruining your implied and effective odds.