Dwarfman, I apologize

For the public record, I was de-opped, and then again Kick-Banned from the IRC channel by our beloved Dwarfman. I am told changing the topic to the daily happenings is against his policy!

For this Dwarfman, I apologize.

He seemed upset over discussion by some of our other members.

For that Dwarfman, I apologize.

You also have told me that you DO NOT want to hear the truth from us!

Dwarfman - I APOLOGIZE

And, of course, it seems you do not like when I mock you, dear Dwarfman,

and for this, I deeply apologize.

If you feel that stating that everyone hates me publicly in the topic of the IRC chatroom not a bad thing, you are an idiot.

I give up with IRC, leaving it for good starting now (feel free to set an over/under for my return, I guarantee you that over will win).

nevermind.

IRC has become the bane of FTR

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IRC has become the bane of FTR

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Agreed, that's why I'm getting right out. Not only is it annoying being around a few assholes, it's making me an asshole aswell - and naturally I want to stop that.

Is managing the IRC drastically different from running the forums? Why can't you guys (the Ops of IRC) manage the IRC like we run the forums, i.e., keep a friendly, troll-free environment?

Is it much more difficult?

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Is managing the IRC drastically different from running the forums? Why can't you guys (the Ops of IRC) manage the IRC like we run the forums, i.e., keep a friendly, troll-free environment?

Is it much more difficult?

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People do silly things in IRC a lot more often.

How about setting some policies regarding attitudes and courtesy? And enforcing them by kicking twice, then banning?

It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

It's the downswing of FTR but I still have a lot of fun in there.

-'rilla

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It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

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So you suggest the opposite... no moderating, basically?

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It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

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That poses a danger to hackers if no ops are active at any one time.

Either way it's not my problem anymore.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

It's the downswing of FTR but I still have a lot of fun in there.

-'rilla

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Who? There has to be several to make sure atleast one is always active to protect from flooding and bad beats. Having multiple ops shouldn't pose a problem.

Ops fighting eachother is just silly. Hopefully it has been solved now. If doggz and dwarfman fight again both their ops will be gone. Only problem is that it's hard finding people who're active enough to be ops.

And yes, there has to be moderation. Otherwise people will spam and post bad beats which will piss others off and create an even worse atmosphere in there.

I am not fighting!!

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

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So you suggest the opposite... no moderating, basically?

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Yup. It'll work perfectly.

-'rilla

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

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That poses a danger to hackers if no ops are active at any one time.

Either way it's not my problem anymore.

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It's a price we pay. Let'm hack our IRC. We can just make another.

-'rilla

Good.

All right then, since dwarfman won't be going there much anymore the problem should be solved.
I also want LeFou to be perm-op in there but I'm not sure how active he is.

Rilla, the problem isn't with ops, it's with ops that abuse their power. You can't just ban someone because you don't like them.

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It doesn't need mods. That's the problem. There should just be one op period.

It's the downswing of FTR but I still have a lot of fun in there.

-'rilla

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Who? There has to be several to make sure atleast one is always active to protect from flooding and bad beats. Having multiple ops shouldn't pose a problem.

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Anyone. The ops never protected against the flooding bad beats. Besides, anyone who's playing just wants to say something like "Damn, AA<AK" when it happens. If people would just hold it to that instead of 4 lines of all caps, we'd be fine.

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Ops fighting eachother is just silly. Hopefully it has been solved now. If doggz and dwarfman fight again both their ops will be gone. Only problem is that it's hard finding people who're active enough to be ops.

And yes, there has to be moderation. Otherwise people will spam and post bad beats which will piss others off and create an even worse atmosphere in there.

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Nah, you're assuming that everyone in IRC is set in there ways of spamming and bad beats. Just let one person op for a month and the place'll turn around.

-'rilla

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Rilla, the problem isn't with ops, it's with ops that abuse their power. You can't just ban someone because you don't like them.

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So then the problem IS with ops.

-'rilla

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Rilla, the problem isn't with ops, it's with ops that abuse their power. You can't just ban someone because you don't like them.

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So then the problem IS with ops.

-'rilla

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I'll beat you one day :!:

Well rilla, you know that people can't keep it like that.

When someone gets horribly bad beaten the result is always the same, and it's not "Damn, AA<AK"
The resulting spam pisses off everyone else and this is why we need ops. I don't see where you're going with 1 one op only. If the ops are acting like they should and getting along it wouldn't make a difference if we had 1 or 5 ops.

And we've had some serious case of flooders and whiners in there...

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Well rilla, you know that people can't keep it like that.

When someone gets horribly bad beaten the result is always the same, and it's not "Damn, AA<AK"
The resulting spam pisses off everyone else and this is why we need ops. I don't see where you're going with 1 one op only. If the ops are acting like they should and getting along it wouldn't make a difference if we had 1 or 5 ops.

And we've had some serious case of flooders and whiners in there...

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And having 30 ops never solved that problem.

We should just make a shit list and figure out punishment.

-'rilla

Well anyway, the problem should now be solved. And I made Saxin perm-op to have a european active op since me, dwarfman and estrop aren't that active. I will most likely be active again in a couple of weeks.

Now if this doesn't work out I'll see what has to be done..right now I'm way too hung over to put more into it.


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I think what you need is a hierarchy of opps. Someone is always in charge and if a higher opp comes in then the person hands over moderation to the guy who just came in. That way there is always only one active opp, yet always an opp there. Also the hierarcy would need to chosen by vote I think.

I don't know much about IRC though. How does this sound?

I say we start from scratch.

Axe ALL the current Ops. Start a thread here asking for active IRC members that would like to be Ops. Xianti will pick the 10 best candidates (based on my assessment of their character, maturity and responsibility), and then a public poll will be taken to determine the 5 most popular.

And we'll have 5 new Ops.


How does that sound?

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I say we start from scratch.

Axe ALL the current Ops. Start a thread here asking for active IRC members that would like to be Ops. Xianti will pick the 10 best candidates (based on my assessment of their character, maturity and responsibility), and then a public poll will be taken to determine the 5 most popular.

And we'll have 5 new Ops.


How does that sound?

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I'm not sure if we are that far gone that we should start a new channel?

Not a new channel. Just new Ops.

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Not a new channel. Just new Ops.

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Well, I'm really the only current active op. Rilla's always busy now, and dwarfman said he left for good.

I'd like to be an opp. I'm always in the channel, and at least like to think I'm a well liked member on FTR and the IRC channel

I've been in IRC forever and always alert the ops to rule-breakers.

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I've been in IRC forever and always alert the ops to rule-breakers.

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You are teh rule breaker

Kicking is a joke because people just sign right back on two seconds later.
Just starting banning people.

Telling Bad Beats = Ban
Swearing = Ban
Gay Jokes = Ban
Arguing = Ban

I really don't know how it works, but can you not specify the duration of the ban (5 minutes, a day, etc.)? There is simply too much tolerance for immaturity. At this point I think the most important thing is to have mods that will enforce the rules.

I know it's a chat rooom and anything is open to discussion, but personally I would like to see more poker related discussion/teaching going on. If you could find a couple winning players that would be willing to spend a little time in IRC I think it would be a great benefit. I know many of them left long ago, but perhaps if you approached a few of them with a new plan of where we would like IRC to go and maybe even offered them a mod position you would be able to entice them to come back.

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I say we start from scratch.

Axe ALL the current Ops. Start a thread here asking for active IRC members that would like to be Ops. Xianti will pick the 10 best candidates (based on my assessment of their character, maturity and responsibility), and then a public poll will be taken to determine the 5 most popular.

And we'll have 5 new Ops.


How does that sound?

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I'm pretty new here, and even newer to IRC, but I'll chip in my 2 cents. It seems that since I joined the FTR channel, the ops have been battling each other. I can't remember how many times I've seen ops kick and ban other ops, apparently for no reason. Besides that, I've seen people enter only to be kicked and banned 2 seconds later for some absurd reasons "You down pwn" or some other bs. Hell, one time even I got kicked, apparently because I was idling (I was asleep). Anyone who's read the seminal study by Milgram on authority knows how people react when given a little bit of power.

Now, I'm fairly familiar with IRC, but since I'm on 24/7, whether active or idling, I do have the ability to scroll up and see what I missed while I was sleeping. I'm not sure how #FTR is run, but how odd that 1 op may kickban 3 people during the night, then another op comes on, deops Op#1, removes the ban from the 3 people, and then decides to ban two others who aren't even present (Of course, I can't tell who these people are, since I only see the @ip-address)

EDIT: Just as aperfect example, after this whole thing with Dwarfman and Doggz, this morning Ake came in, apparently cleared things op, deopped Dwarfman, did a little bit of other work, etc. Now dwarfman just came back in the room, and L gives him ops, apparently because someone reopped him. This "treading on the toes" of other ops seems to be the norm in the channel and it definitely needs to be done away with. (This is not an attack on dwarfman and whether or not he has ops, but it just makes my point).

That said, I have my own ideas about who, to me, have appeared to be good ops, but I would second X!anti's idea of starting over with 5 new ops, with nominations and final decisions by X!anti and Ake, who, as far as I can tell, are much more "in control" here, both literally and mentally.

Also, perhaps you could nominate an additional 3-5 to have Voice, as sort of "Ops-in-training," who could eventually be given ops. Of course, final decisions on those should be up to X!anti and Ake as well.

drdeutsch

Ha, ban for gay jokes. Gay jokes are just what kids are telling these days. We've been telling gay jokes for YEARS now, you can't change that. If you want to come to IRC, you're gonna have to deal with a little immaturity. Also, fuck swear-banning. The f-bomb rule didn't work for the WSOP. It wont work for IRC.

-'rilla

I wouldn't mind the op...

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Ha, ban for gay jokes. Gay jokes are just what kids are telling these days. We've been telling gay jokes for YEARS now, you can't change that. If you want to come to IRC, you're gonna have to deal with a little immaturity. Also, fuck swear-banning. The f-bomb rule didn't work for the WSOP. It wont work for IRC.

-'rilla

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Swearing adds nothing to a discussion. It doesn't offend me, but I just don't see the need for it. I am not offended by gay jokes either, but I don't see how continually joking about homosexuality is going to help anyone's poker game. If you want to tell someone they're a little bitch or tell Lee Jones to go fuck himself and call each other fags then fine, but how about you do it over AIM, MSN or Yahoo instead of in IRC where everyone is subjected to it.

You know I like to clown around and bullshit, but if you really want to reform IRC then you need to set some rules. If you start to selectively enforce these rules then eventually things are going to get worse and worse and you'll again be left with what you were originally trying to avoid. Then when you start cracking down on the immaturity people are going to be upset becase you previously made exceptions for the same behavior.

A sentimental "Guys, IRC had become incredibly immature so let's do better in the future, ok? Everyone in? Alright, GO TEAM!!!" attitude just isn't going to get it done. If you really want to reform IRC then make some actual efforts to do so. Set some standards of what will and will not be tolerated then make sure they are enforced.

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If you could find a couple winning players that would be willing to spend a little time in IRC I think it would be a great benefit. I know many of them left long ago, but perhaps if you approached a few of them with a new plan of where we would like IRC to go and maybe even offered them a mod position you would be able to entice them to come back.

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Sigh, they left because people don't listen. We preach and all we hear is bitching and bad beats. We can't turn loosing players into winners if they don't care/ don't listen.

... and I think some of them left because off all the complaining.

I think that the #flopturnriver channel should be used as a 'community' channel, while lambchop's new channel #ftr-pokeronly could be used for more serious poker discussion.

Discuss.

The problem with a consistant poker only chatroom is there just isn't enough topics to keep a consistant 24 hour chat going

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I think that the #flopturnriver channel should be used as a 'community' channel, while lambchop's new channel #ftr-pokeronly could be used for more serious poker discussion.

Discuss.

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Great idea in theory, midas, but (1) it doesn't solve the problems in the #flopturnriver, i.e. the ops kickbanning each other, debanning and reopping other people, etc. and (2) I'm afraid that eventually the #ftr-pokeronly channel, without similar standards, will degrade into what #flopturnriver is now.

drdeutsch

This is exactly the thing that needs sorting out:

[23:44] <DoGGz_sleep> r you here?
[23:45] <dwarfman> yes hi
[23:45] <DoGGz> You are the weekest link
[23:45] <DoGGz> goodbye
[23:45] * You were kicked from #ftr-pokeronly by DoGGz (BYE)
[23:45] #ftr-pokeronly unable to join channel (address is banned)
[23:45] <DoGGz> timeout!
[23:46] <dwarfman> nice of you to show your immaturity :)

And no, I didn't say ANYTHING offensive, in fact I was discussing ROI in a Stars normal SnG vs a Stars turbo SnG at the time.

I am befuddled as to why I am banned from the serious poker talk channel.

Dwarf, it's not just about you. There are innumerable situations similar to it. Many people are tired of it and there is a general concensus for reform. The question is, how do we go about doing it?

This has nothing to do with this thread. Take this else where.

On top of that, why are you posting PRIVATE messages into this forum? If I were to post all the messages you sent me Xianti would have already banned you from the forums.

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Isn't this what Vent is? I don't hear any complaints about that...

I think we have blown this quite out of proportion.
Yes ill take my slating for having a funny or for being booted for bantering on about bad beatz. But i think this is way over the top. Yes on occasion irc has got a touch out of control, i dont like to point out dman because he DOES (period) do an exellent job as an op as do the others. I think though that banning people for example 2 hrs or something similar for either arguing, bad beating or other stuff SHOULD BE AN OPTION Therefore hopefully the guilty party calms down and secondly no hard feelings will exist. I suggest that this rule to ban someone for a few hrs needs to be confirmed by two people, at least one an op.
I just think a whole new set of ops or changing the channel is a mistake. It is only the exceptions that ruin it fromn time to time which we ARE ALL guilty of from time to time myself included

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The problem with a consistant poker only chatroom is there just isn't enough topics to keep a consistant 24 hour chat going

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Isn't this what Vent is? I don't hear any complaints about that...

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Well, vent mostly is people just chit-chatting or giving play by play in tournies.

Just so everyone knows how this started... I feel somehow this is making me look like the badguy.


<DoGGz> You were upset because demi was saying you were dumb
<dwarfman> ok it could have been worded better DoGGz.. pretty much what Miffosaurous just said
<DoGGz> and that is how this whole shit started
<dwarfman> demi wha?
<DoGGz> You were playing 600nl on your roll is what someone told us last night
<dwarfman> i was
<Miffosaurous> dman u made profit at poker thats a start now u have to mentally deal with it
<DoGGz> so OF COURSE they were flaming you

<Miffosaurous> thats means good discipline#
<dwarfman> that's my *little* lack of discipline
<DoGGz> And you got extremely upset over that
<Miffosaurous> quit that and youll be fine
<dwarfman> of course i got upset, i was tilted and emotional
<DoGGz> which ended up in YOU banning me, and forcing ME to appologize to get back into the channel
<dwarfman> i now understand that they were damn right the shout their ass off at me

<dwarfman> basically you quoted me in the topic saying that everyone on FTR hated me
<dwarfman> which i felt was a little rude
<DoGGz> that was it
<DoGGz> right?
<DoGGz> That is EXACTLY what you posted
<dwarfman> so i deopped you and asked for an apology to get your ops back
<DoGGz> and you banned me

This is how we got to this post.

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Op shmop.. thats what I say

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Just so everyone knows how this started... I feel somehow this is making me look like the badguy.


<DoGGz> You were upset because demi was saying you were dumb
<dwarfman> ok it could have been worded better DoGGz.. pretty much what Miffosaurous just said
<DoGGz> and that is how this whole shit started
<dwarfman> demi wha?
<DoGGz> You were playing 600nl on your roll is what someone told us last night
<dwarfman> i was
<Miffosaurous> dman u made profit at poker thats a start now u have to mentally deal with it
<DoGGz> so OF COURSE they were flaming you

<Miffosaurous> thats means good discipline#
<dwarfman> that's my *little* lack of discipline
<DoGGz> And you got extremely upset over that
<Miffosaurous> quit that and youll be fine
<dwarfman> of course i got upset, i was tilted and emotional
<DoGGz> which ended up in YOU banning me, and forcing ME to appologize to get back into the channel
<dwarfman> i now understand that they were damn right the shout their ass off at me

<dwarfman> basically you quoted me in the topic saying that everyone on FTR hated me
<dwarfman> which i felt was a little rude
<DoGGz> that was it
<DoGGz> right?
<DoGGz> That is EXACTLY what you posted
<dwarfman> so i deopped you and asked for an apology to get your ops back
<DoGGz> and you banned me
[00:04] <dwarfman> you refused and threw a few insults my way
[00:04] <dwarfman> so i kickbanned you
[00:04] <dwarfman> and asked you to apologise again
[00:04] <dwarfman> you refused again
[00:04] <dwarfman> and that was that

This is how we got to this post.

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You conveniently missed off the rest of the PM conversation, Mr Biased!

I've added it on for you.

[23:44] <DoGGz_sleep> r you here?
[23:45] <dwarfman> yes hi
[23:45] <DoGGz> You are the weekest link
[23:45] <DoGGz> goodbye
[23:45] <DoGGz> timeout!
[23:46] <dwarfman> nice of you to show your immaturity :)
[00:04] <dwarfman> basically you quoted me in the topic saying that everyone on FTR hated me
[00:04] <dwarfman> which i felt was a little rude
[00:04] <DoGGz> that was it
[00:04] <DoGGz> right?
[00:04] <DoGGz> That is EXACTLY what you posted
[00:04] <dwarfman> so i deopped you and asked for an apology to get your ops back
[00:04] <DoGGz> and you banned me
[00:04] <dwarfman> you refused and threw a few insults my way
[00:04] <dwarfman> so i kickbanned you
[00:04] <dwarfman> and asked you to apologise again
[00:04] <dwarfman> you refused again
[00:04] <dwarfman> and that was that

Because the first part had nothing to do with how we got to this thread, and the last 3 lines were after I already posted my apology right here...

You conveniently didn't read my post!!!, Mr Biased!

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and the last 3 lines were after I already posted my apology right here...!

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They weren't and I can back that up with timestamped quotes.

Anyway I'm not willing to argue on FTR, this is a place for poker discussion and not a place for me to get a headache.

im just posting here because i got nothing better to do and everyone already has

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and the last 3 lines were after I already posted my apology right here...!

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They weren't and I can back that up with timestamped quotes.

Anyway I'm not willing to argue on FTR, this is a place for poker discussion and not a place for me to get a headache.

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Of course your not willing to argue on FTR. While your posting PMs how about you post the conversation with you begging me not to post PMs on the public forum, because that is unmoral?

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and the last 3 lines were after I already posted my apology right here...!

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They weren't and I can back that up with timestamped quotes.

Anyway I'm not willing to argue on FTR, this is a place for poker discussion and not a place for me to get a headache.

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Of course your not willing to argue on FTR. While your posting PMs how about you post the conversation with you begging me not to post PMs on the public forum, because that is unmoral?

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I'm going to have to copy this onto my clipboard, might have to use it a few times in this thread.

I have no intention to argue with you, FTR is a place to talk about poker and not to get a headache over petty handbag fights.

having been a sort of an IRC geek and having had lengthy experience in channel moderation and the downparts of it (no, what you have here lads aren't problems... you can say you've got problems when after school one night four big lads surround you and take a whack at ya for a kickbanning), i'm gonna share my view on this

Basically, one op doesn't cut it because he can't be there 24/7. What should happen is the channel manager should select some responsible ops and set some ground rules (no kickbanning other ops -kicking is fine, it's often done as a joke-, no banning without a legitimate reason, etc). Any op not adhering to this rule gets a chance to explain. if said explanation is half decent, he gets one and only one more chance and then he's out.
the ranting/bad beats situation can be easily solved without actually banning anyone.
I'm not sure if it works the same as in undernet, but just banning someone, without kicking takes away their chat priviledges. OR, just set everyone with +v and +m the channel then -v said offender until he cools down.

I would have gladly offered my services, but as it is I hardly spend that much time online not actually engaged in other activities ( posting on forums/playing poker).

IRC is unsavable, btw. it will never be a great place to talk poker, those days are over.

This is getting absurd.

I know this isn't my fight. Further, I know I have little influence here. But I also know that this fight is ridiculous.

WHO CARES who started it? Dwarfman and Doggz have an issue that is personal, and whether or not one of them is at fault is irrelevant. This should not spill over into IRC or the FTR boards, because it has no place here.

If you two both need to feel like you're right, then meet each other by the swingset at 3:30. Otherwise, drop it and get over it.

With regards to IRC, I'm of the opinion that such fights/confrontations/personal attacks ought to be grounds for being banned. I have no interest in seeing this childish crap going on in a poker chat room, or on a poker forum.

Personally, I don't think either one of you should be mods until this gets sorted out, and I don't think anyone who uses the boards or the IRC channel to argue, bitch, complain, accuse, or generally to swing their virtual dick around should be allowed back in, let alone be put in charge.

I have no personal problem with either Dwarfy or Doggz. In fact, the few times I've chatted with Dwarfy, he struck me as a pretty cool guy. I have had no dealings with Doggz, and therefore have no reason to think otherwise of him. But the bickering has gone on long enough, and if you two want to carry it on, that's what PMs are for. Don't subject the rest of FTR to your personal melodrama. Please.

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Personally, I don't think either one of you should be mods until this gets sorted out

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I've already taken the option to remove myself from the chatroom to avoid further confrontation in public chat.

I did ask DoGGz not to post about a personal feud on the FTR Community (remembering what happened with me and Rippy before), but he went on and did it anyway.

As far as I'm concerned this thread has no place on FTR and should be deleted immediately.

Ive been active on IRC for many, many, many, years. I have never seen the type of childish behavior by ops that I used to see at #flopturnriver. Of course, I don't go there anymore for that exact reason.

Rilla is on the right track - there should be fewer ops, and they should be almost entirely 'hands off'. They are there for EXTREME cases of spammage, or major and gross breech of rule violations.

The idea of 'no ops' is essentially the same as 'few ops, who do very, very little'. The best run channels have always been run this way.

And you EARN ops, you are not GIVEN ops.

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Personally, I don't think either one of you should be mods until this gets sorted out

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I've already taken the option to remove myself from the chatroom to avoid further confrontation in public chat.

I did ask DoGGz not to post about a personal feud on the FTR Community (remembering what happened with me and Rippy before), but he went on and did it anyway.

As far as I'm concerned this thread has no place on FTR and should be deleted immediately.

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You wouldn't let me into the chatroom, so I had to post my apology somewhere :(

I think there should be two FTR IRC channel one for discussing poker strategy and one for just bullshitting and such.

The bullshitting one very loosely enforced and the one for only talking poker stricly enforced.

That way IRC could do what it needs to do 1. Give people immediate help or adivce and 2. Give people a community to bullshit and talk.

I was here when the FTR IRC started and it was a train wreck then, I see nothing has changed.

Less is more... peace

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Personally, I don't think either one of you should be mods until this gets sorted out

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I've already taken the option to remove myself from the chatroom to avoid further confrontation in public chat.

I did ask DoGGz not to post about a personal feud on the FTR Community (remembering what happened with me and Rippy before), but he went on and did it anyway.

As far as I'm concerned this thread has no place on FTR and should be deleted immediately.

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You wouldn't let me into the chatroom, so I had to post my apology somewhere :(

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Post it in PM to me like I asked you to?

lol. this is stupid.

LOLK

oops wrong thread!

I don't like this thread. Delete.

Nor do I. I'm fed up with dealing with this shit. And I have to reply to clear my name because DoGGz is bullshitting about me every 5 minutes.

Lock and delete this thread right now.

LOLK INDEED

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Originally Posted by dwarfman

Nor do I. I'm fed up with dealing with this shit. And I have to reply to clear my name because DoGGz is bullshitting about me every 5 minutes.

Lock and delete this thread right now.

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Yes, clear your name :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LOLK PLZ

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Originally Posted by DoGGz

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Originally Posted by dwarfman

Nor do I. I'm fed up with dealing with this shit. And I have to reply to clear my name because DoGGz is bullshitting about me every 5 minutes.

Lock and delete this thread right now.

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Yes, clear your name :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LOLK PLZ

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Right, my last post on this thread.

This has escalated into patheticness (in fact, it always was there). Just everybody stop posting in this meaningless thread and await it's deletion.

I have handled this to the best of my ability, I hope with class.

I cant believe i read all this.

On vent the rules are simple. My rules.

Have a good time, make money, be polite and watch your mouth.

(By the way it works, we make lots of money)

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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

Kicking is a joke because people just sign right back on two seconds later.
Just starting banning people.

Telling Bad Beats = Ban
Swearing = Ban
Gay Jokes = Ban
Arguing = Ban

I really don't know how it works, but can you not specify the duration of the ban (5 minutes, a day, etc.)? There is simply too much tolerance for immaturity. At this point I think the most important thing is to have mods that will enforce the rules.

I know it's a chat rooom and anything is open to discussion, but personally I would like to see more poker related discussion/teaching going on. If you could find a couple winning players that would be willing to spend a little time in IRC I think it would be a great benefit. I know many of them left long ago, but perhaps if you approached a few of them with a new plan of where we would like IRC to go and maybe even offered them a mod position you would be able to entice them to come back.

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uh, id leave if the place became that nazi-like. i like irc cause its much less structured than this. only thing that bothers me is when people wont shut up even after being told the appropriate advice.

basically if irc becomes too regulated im out. thats not supposed to read as a threat, im just listing the reasons why i like it.

I HATE IRC.


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