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What would you do?
Don't say "fold on flop" it wasn't a big bet and i just called 30 cents.
this table was pretty loose, especially the guy CHIN from what i had seen, and also they were both aggressive.
Game #1134922511 - (blinds $0.05/$0.10) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/05-19:58:22.8 (CST) Table "Lewini (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 1 is the button Seat 1: marie1972 ($20.26 in chips) Seat 2: slicksteve3 ($9.66 in chips) Seat 3: CHIN105 ($15.70 in chips) Seat 5: redgrape ($15.10 in chips)
slicksteve3: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
CHIN105 : Post Big Blind ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Qh ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Kd ]
redgrape: Raise ($0.55)
marie1972: Call ($0.55)
slicksteve3: Fold
CHIN105 : Call ($0.45)
*** FLOP *** : [ Jh Jc Ad ]
CHIN105 : Bet ($0.30)
redgrape: Call ($0.30)
marie1972: Call ($0.30)
*** TURN *** : [ Jh Jc Ad ] [ Ts ]
CHIN105 : Bet ($0.80)
redgrape: Raise ($3.80)
marie1972: Call ($3.80)
CHIN105 : Raise ($14.05)
marie1972 said, "here we go"
marie1972 said, "big pot"
marie1972 said, "call or fold"
marie1972 said, "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
redgrape: ???
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Fold on flop. Seriously. I know it's just 30 cents, but it's a paired board and you're drawing to four outs. Even if you hit you will seldom make enough money to compensate for a bad odds call on the flop. You are getting about 6:1 there and your draw is 11:1 to hit. If you hit the board looks like this:
AJJTx
JT, JA, and even Jx may body-slam you with a boat. Most other hands are not going to call substantial bets. You're basically hoping to hit a ten and have somebody out there make some mistakes calling down with a jack or an ace, and I don't think it's profitable. The only hand that's really paying you off here is KJ, and how could you know he's got that? AJ or TJ is more likely.
As far as the turn, I don't like your raise. You're raising big, pretty much in the dark (no idea what you're up against). It's not a good value raise - it's unlikely to be called by a worse hand except maybe a lone jack, and it's likely to get re-raised and cost you a ton of money if someone has a better hand. I could see a smaller raise or even a call hoping for a reasonably priced showdown. But since I don't like the flop call, it's hard me to judge the rest of the action fairly. Paired board + three broadway cards + two opponents = scary as hell, even with the broadway straight. Maybe *especially* with the broadway straight, since it's begging you to dump money in the pot.
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Oh, and - Marie's chat is really interesting. Looks like she is definitely coming along for the ride. I'm not drooling over the prospect of dumping more money into this one with one person betting hard and another person begging you to hurry up so she can call or raise.
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If it's "only 30 cents" then you need to move up to a higher level. Playing at a level where you justify making bad calls because "it doesn't cost that much" means you are playing at stakes that don't matter enough to you.
Fold on flop.
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awful call
ultimate george got it damn right
I would be drooling in that pot if i had AA
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Yea, they're all right.
I can see drawing with bad odds in a big multiway pot, but drawing to a gutshot on a paired board is trouble because you'll rarely hit and when you do hit, you're gonna just be in more trouble.
Straights aren't that great anyways, a lot of cards kill the action or counterfeit your nuts.