How do you play the River with this full house?

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12-18-2005, 11:21 AM
Nugunz

How do you play the River with this full house?

How do you play the river here? Opponent has shown down some strong hands, and generally seems tight.

***** Hand History for Game 3221782289 *****
$25 PL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, December 18, 10:48:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 65068 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Nugunz ( $32.26 )
Seat 2: fab39 ( $5.63 )
Seat 6: PILEDRIVER16 ( $25.65 )
Seat 7: EP_SHARK ( $23.70 )
Seat 9: Lukinyul ( $29.35 )
Seat 10: rcomst1217 ( $28.25 )
Seat 3: SAHDSC ( $22.60 )
Seat 8: liables406 ( $4.15 )
Seat 5: Chucktx64 ( $27.85 )
Seat 4: fakai_fa ( $5.65 )
liables406 posts small blind [$0.10].
Lukinyul posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nugunz [ 3s 3d ]
rcomst1217 calls [$0.25].
Nugunz calls [$0.25].
fab39 folds.
SAHDSC folds.
fakai_fa folds.
Chucktx64 calls [$0.25].
EP_SHARK folds.
liables406 folds.
Lukinyul checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 5s, 7h ]
Lukinyul checks.
rcomst1217 checks.
Nugunz checks.
Chucktx64 bets [$0.50].
Lukinyul folds.
rcomst1217 folds.
Nugunz calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Nugunz checks.
Chucktx64 bets [$0.50].
Nugunz raises [$2].
Chucktx64 calls [$1.50].
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
Nugunz bets [$3].
Chucktx64 raises [$7].

Your move?......

Results below in white:

Nugunz raises [$17].
Chucktx64 is all-In [$18.10]
Nugunz calls [$5.10].
Nugunz shows [ 3s, 3d ] a full house, Threes full of sevens.
Chucktx64 shows [ 4s, 4d ] a full house, Fours full of sevens.
Chucktx64 wins $53.50 from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of sevens
12-18-2005, 11:23 AM
AHiltz

Pot
12-18-2005, 12:32 PM
finky

Push, he has three 7's and probably won't lay it down
12-18-2005, 01:06 PM
Telepath

Bet pot.

T.
12-18-2005, 02:00 PM
outphase

pot it, he's got either the straight or a lone 7, if he does have a boat, it's only right that you pay off that junky hand he limped in with
12-18-2005, 02:43 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by finky

Push, he has three 7's and probably won't lay it down

Not a whole lot of 7x hands other than maybe A7s he's playing if he's tight.

IF he's tight, I think you can fold here. Under-full in an un-raised pre-flop pot.
12-18-2005, 02:47 PM
Lukie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by finky

Push, he has three 7's and probably won't lay it down

Not a whole lot of 7x hands other than A7 he's playing if he's tight.

IF he's tight, I think you can fold here. Under-full in an un-raised pre-flop pot.

You are folding the river against a tight player getting 4:1 here?
12-18-2005, 02:49 PM
Nugunz

Fold? Really? I don't think this is really a matter of folding, but calling or re-raising.
12-18-2005, 02:51 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

You are folding the river against a tight player getting 4:1 here?

That turn raise from a tight/passive makes it perfectly clear he's threatening playing for stackes here and we have maybe 1 out. You can't call here. Either you think you have him beat and try to get in lots (all) of the money in the center or put your tail between your legs and fold.

You've seen my history of advice. I don't laydown in a lot of spots, but I would consider it in this spot.
12-18-2005, 02:59 PM
Lukie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

You are folding the river against a tight player getting 4:1 here?

That turn raise from a tight/passive makes it perfectly clear he's threatening playing for stackes here and we have maybe 1 out. You can't call here. Either you think you have him beat and try to get in lots (all) of the money in the center or put your tail between your legs and fold.

You've seen my history of advice. I don't laydown in a lot of spots, but I would consider it in this spot.

Well.. nothing was ever said about the player being passive. If he was a super-rock set camper, maybe we can change the discussion around.

As played and with the information available, I think the river is a must call. I don't like a river reraise because villain has already showed a lot of strength in the hand and there are many hands that can beat you, but how do you turn down 4:1 on the river with a boat?

On a side note, the NL25 donk factor makes it even a clearer call IMO.

Quote:

Either you think you have him beat and try to get in lots (all) of the money in the center or put your tail between your legs and fold.

I don't necessarily agree. I think you have to put him on a range of hands here and realize that you may be best. However, if you are, you aren't getting any more money out of the hand, and if you aren't, you are losing your stack.
12-18-2005, 03:51 PM
DaNutsInYoEye

Pot. I think 7x or a 6 pays you off more in the long run than the money you might lose to a higher boat.
12-18-2005, 04:14 PM
Nugunz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

You are folding the river against a tight player getting 4:1 here?

That turn raise from a tight/passive makes it perfectly clear he's threatening playing for stackes here and we have maybe 1 out. You can't call here. Either you think you have him beat and try to get in lots (all) of the money in the center or put your tail between your legs and fold.

You've seen my history of advice. I don't laydown in a lot of spots, but I would consider it in this spot.

Well.. nothing was ever said about the player being passive. If he was a super-rock set camper, maybe we can change the discussion around.

As played and with the information available, I think the river is a must call. I don't like a river reraise because villain has already showed a lot of strength in the hand and there are many hands that can beat you, but how do you turn down 4:1 on the river with a boat?

On a side note, the NL25 donk factor makes it even a clearer call IMO.

Quote:

Either you think you have him beat and try to get in lots (all) of the money in the center or put your tail between your legs and fold.

I don't necessarily agree. I think you have to put him on a range of hands here and realize that you may be best. However, if you are, you aren't getting any more money out of the hand, and if you aren't, you are losing your stack.

I disagree that a lot of hands beat me. 9 times out of 10, at these stakes, he is going to have trips or a straight. What hands beat me? Quad 7s, or a higher boat. I saw this as a great opportunity to bring in a lot of money, rather than calling.
12-18-2005, 04:46 PM
Lukie

Depending on the opponent, I like a raise or a call. To be perfectly honest I don't know if I can ever fold here given this situation...
12-18-2005, 06:37 PM
finky

I'd pay off a higher boat / quads every time at this level, most the time you way ahead. It takes a good hand to raise the river like that which means he might want to play for stacks, you most likely have a better hand, I still say push.
12-19-2005, 12:52 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugunz

I disagree that a lot of hands beat me. 9 times out of 10, at these stakes, he is going to have trips or a straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugunz

Opponent has shown down some strong hands, and generally seems tight.

Stop playing against the table or your stakes and start playing against the other players.

You provided a bit of a read and his betting pattern looks like a tight/passive monster. Throw in an unraised pot-pre-flop pot and this is a pretty textbook spot where you don't want to go for broke with "just" bottom set.

There are a lot of player I get all my money into the center with. Heck, probably 80ish precent of them. This doesn't sound like that guy. Consider, it's the tight ones that are harder to get things like post-flop reads on because they're playing fewer hands and often have something when they continue by virtue of playing so tight.
12-19-2005, 01:12 AM
bdawg56kg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

IF he's tight, I think you can fold here. Under-full in an un-raised pre-flop pot.

No offense Fnord, but I think this is horrible advice. Like Lukie said, you're getting 4:1 with a huge hand. It's clearly a raise or call situation, and I'm raising here almost every time, and looking to play for stacks. Do you not think 68 puts in a river raise here?

I remember a 50NL hand I played once. The board read ATT-9-6. It was checked down the whole way. I had 66 and caught a boat on the river. There was a 3-way all in, and they turned over JT and 78.

On a side note, you have to get more money in on that flop. Either lead out and pot it, or CR pot it.
12-19-2005, 04:03 PM
IowaSkinsFan

I'm suprised not many have commented on the flop. It's a really weak flop I'd bet it or at least raise the guy. hope he hit something strong that is pushable or else he's folding the turn to your raise no matter what hits on the turn.