Nut straight with a big redraw 5/10

5/10 4-handed, few hands in you get dealt :th: :kh: on the button. You raise to $35. Both SB(3.5k) and BB($700) call.
Flop comes :jh: :td: :as: . Everyone checks.
Turn comes :qh:, giving you the nut straight along with a redraw for the K-high flush/straight flush. SB leads for $25 into a $105 pot, BB calls, action's on you. What's your play? You have a full stack, no reads on either opponent but you assume SB to be at least decent (or very lucky in running up a 3.5k stack) and BB to be a calling station (loose-passive play).

Edit: {keeping my opinions on high stakes ring to myself until I've read all of Lukie and Fnord's threads at least three times}

push

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=30846

are you [$en$ored] on 2p2? That's where I got the idea for my thread.

easiest push ever. a king isnt folding and you want to get as much money possible in against a king.

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push

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=30846

are you [$en$ored] on 2p2? That's where I got the idea for my thread.

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Haha you're on to me. I must say I haven't given too much thought to the concept of freerolling until recently, I actually ended up misplaying this hand by not raising hard enough and BB caught a boat on the river. Yea I'm a big fish I know. Shut up bmx I hear you snickering.
In situations like these, you have to push- go AI if you think either one of them has a king and will call you. The only time you might not want to push your whole stack in is if you think one of your opponents is capable of folding a king to an AI.

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The only time you might not want to push your whole stack in is if you think one of your opponents is capable of folding a king to an AI.

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try to figure out why thats a stupid as hell statement.

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The only time you might not want to push your whole stack in is if you think one of your opponents is capable of folding a king to an AI.

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try to figure out why thats a stupid as hell statement.

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You will get a fold from a king less than 10% of the time by open-raising AI on the turn, most people simply don't consider the possibility that they are getting freerolled on. However, a smart, thinking player will think about such things and he will fold if he feels the pot's too small. Against such a player, I am saying it is better to raise to say $275 than open-raising AI, so that you're not giving him an opportunity to get away.

Against most players though going AI is standard.

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Originally Posted by journey075

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Originally Posted by PO$$E$$ED

The only time you might not want to push your whole stack in is if you think one of your opponents is capable of folding a king to an AI.

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try to figure out why thats a stupid as hell statement.

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You will get a fold from a king less than 10% of the time by open-raising AI on the turn, most people simply don't consider the possibility that they are getting freerolled on. However, a smart, thinking player will think about such things and he will fold if he feels the pot's too small. Against such a player, I am saying it is better to raise to say $275 than open-raising AI, so that you're not giving him an opportunity to get away.

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you gain if he folds..

You gain more if he calls a big overbet with 19,5% to take it all, 80,5% to split. All in is probably most +EV unless you get a fold more than 60-70% of the time or something? Didn't do the math.

if your op is willing to fold the nuts to you then i think that in itself is worth noting for future hands. i push every time.