Too tight or too early?

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03-16-2006, 06:37 PM
Fimanoid

Too tight or too early?

Stage #354053838 Tourney ID 773155 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $15 - 2006-03-16 17:29:48 (ET)
Table: 6355417 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 1 - TERBMAGIC1 ($1320 in chips)
Seat 2 - PARANOID112 ($330 in chips)
Seat 3 - CHKMJIM ($2010 in chips)
Seat 4 - _THEEND_ ($1430 in chips)
Seat 6 - MAGIC QUEEN ($2780 in chips)
Seat 7 - THE_IVEY ($1540 in chips)
Seat 8 - SLICKRICKY74 ($2460 in chips)
Seat 9 - FIMANOID ($1630 in chips)
CHKMJIM - Posts small blind $15
_THEEND_ - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FIMANOID [2h 2c]
MAGIC QUEEN - Folds
THE_IVEY - Folds
SLICKRICKY74 - Raises $180 to $180
FIMANOID - ???
FIMANOID - Folds
TERBMAGIC1 - Folds
PARANOID112 - Folds
CHKMJIM - Folds
_THEEND_ - Folds
SLICKRICKY74 - returned ($150) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SLICKRICKY74 - Does not show
SLICKRICKY74 Collects $75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($75)
Seat 1: TERBMAGIC1 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: PARANOID112 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: CHKMJIM (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: _THEEND_ (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: MAGIC QUEEN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: THE_IVEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: SLICKRICKY74 collected Total ($75)
Seat 9: FIMANOID Folded on the POCKET CARDS
03-16-2006, 06:47 PM
Warpe

Easy fold. Price is too high to chase a 2-outer.
03-16-2006, 06:47 PM
andy-akb

I dont think there is anytime in a SNG where you would call a raise from EP of 6x the BB with pocket deuces unless you are heads up with less than 10 BB or on the button and everybody called giving you odds to hit a set. This isnt a very strong hand as so much can beat it. Download PokerStove and run some hands against 22 just so you can see how vulnerable it is.
03-16-2006, 06:53 PM
Fimanoid

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

I dont think there is anytime in a SNG where you would call a raise from EP of 6x the BB with pocket deuces unless you are heads up with less than 10 BB or on the button and everybody called giving you odds to hit a set. This isnt a very strong hand as so much can beat it. Download PokerStove and run some hands against 22 just so you can see how vulnerable it is.

What about fishing for a set and get out if miss? Can easy take his stack if I'm against a high PP, which is what I think he had.
03-16-2006, 06:59 PM
andy-akb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fimanoid

What about fishing for a set and get out if miss? Can easy take his stack if I'm against a high PP, which is what I think he had.

The problem with that is you arent getting anywhere near the odds to go for a set. Correct me if Im wrong, which I very well could be, but the odds of hitting a set on the flop are about 7.8:1. If you are getting that, or close to it, then call, but you are still not in LP and it is still very early, so I dont like the play either way unless you are getting overwhelming odds.
03-16-2006, 07:05 PM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fimanoid

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

I dont think there is anytime in a SNG where you would call a raise from EP of 6x the BB with pocket deuces unless you are heads up with less than 10 BB or on the button and everybody called giving you odds to hit a set. This isnt a very strong hand as so much can beat it. Download PokerStove and run some hands against 22 just so you can see how vulnerable it is.

What about fishing for a set and get out if miss? Can easy take his stack if I'm against a high PP, which is what I think he had.

His odds of hitting a set with his high PP are the same as yours. You're going to miss 4 out of 5 times, and if you're calling 6xBB in every case you need to recoup 30BB when you do hit just to break even - in this case 900 chips. Set hunting is +EV but only at the right price - cheap, and with 22 especially so.
03-16-2006, 07:36 PM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fimanoid

What about fishing for a set and get out if miss? Can easy take his stack if I'm against a high PP, which is what I think he had.

The problem with that is you arent getting anywhere near the odds to go for a set. Correct me if Im wrong, which I very well could be, but the odds of hitting a set on the flop are about 7.8:1. If you are getting that, or close to it, then call, but you are still not in LP and it is still very early, so I dont like the play either way unless you are getting overwhelming odds.

My odds are for staying to the river.
03-16-2006, 07:49 PM
zenbitz

Impied odds are < 10:1.
03-17-2006, 10:32 AM
Fimanoid

Thanks!