unraised pot, 4-way, 3-flush board, hero has a set

villain1 = 93 hands, 15/5/9, W$ASD: 3/5
villain2 = 72 hands, 27/8/.75, W$ASD:1/4
No real reads besides those numbers.

Seat 1: BermudaBen ($100)
Seat 2: villain1 ($90.80)
Seat 3: 0 doubt ($50)
Seat 4: donnymack ($40)
Seat 5: Hero ($106.95)
Seat 6: villain2 ($89.80)
Seat 7: Papachubie ($74)
Seat 8: Unger33 ($18.45)
Seat 9: KKDragonlady ($31.30), is sitting out
0 doubt posts the small blind of $0.50
donnymack has 5 seconds left to act
donnymack posts the big blind of $1
BermudaBen posts $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [3c 3d]
Hero calls $1
villain2 calls $1
Papachubie folds
Unger33 folds
BermudaBen checks
villain1 calls $1
0 doubt calls $0.50
donnymack checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3h 8h]
0 doubt checks
donnymack checks
Hero bets $3
villain2 calls $3
BermudaBen folds
villain1 raises to $12
0 doubt folds
donnymack folds
Hero calls $9
villain2 calls $9
*** TURN *** [Ah 3h 8h] [7d]
Hero checks
villain2 checks
villain1 bets $25
Hero ????

I'd fold the flop.. if someone shows so little fear after a raise and a call on THAT board, he probably has the flush. And after your call, easy fold on the turn.. he shows no remorse even though 2 people called him..

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Originally Posted by jackvance

I'd fold the flop.. if someone shows so little fear after a raise and a call on THAT board, he probably has the flush. And after your call, easy fold on the turn.. he shows no remorse even though 2 people called him..

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I'd fold the pre-flop. 33 is good on the BB only, that's it.

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Originally Posted by Stagemn

I'd fold the pre-flop. 33 is good on the BB only, that's it.

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I call with a pp in any position. And today it has been brought to my attention that it's probably a good idea to call raises with it too (esp. if it gets another caller) so I don't see the problem here..

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Originally Posted by Stagemn

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Originally Posted by jackvance

I'd fold the flop.. if someone shows so little fear after a raise and a call on THAT board, he probably has the flush. And after your call, easy fold on the turn.. he shows no remorse even though 2 people called him..

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I'd fold the pre-flop. 33 is good on the BB only, that's it.

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I'm getting implied odds on this table, sometimes 22-55 i think is worth folding in EP, but not at this particular table....

Flop is an EASY push second time around. If he flopped the flush, then say "nice hand, I hope I suck out." If he has 88, then good for you sir.

definitely 3-bet that flop

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Originally Posted by Stagemn

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Originally Posted by jackvance

I'd fold the flop.. if someone shows so little fear after a raise and a call on THAT board, he probably has the flush. And after your call, easy fold on the turn.. he shows no remorse even though 2 people called him..

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I'd fold the pre-flop. 33 is good on the BB only, that's it.

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If you are folding your pocket pairs to smaller raises then you are missing a good opportunity to stack people with sets.

If I don't 3-bet the flop and boat up the turn, how often and how much can I expect to extract from those 2? If I hit the turn do I lead, cc, or cr?

Do i really have enough fold equity to 3-bet AI, forcing the chaser out, and chase against a possibly made flush? I have 7 outs on turn and 10 outs on river (if my turn didn't hit), so what are my odds of boating up?

if you dont 3-bet and fill up, im probably check/calling the turn and maybe check/raising the river depending on the card that falls.

and i dont see how 3-betting here has much to do with fold equity...i dont really want a fold here if i 3-bet AI. if hes on a draw, cool, hes an idiot. if he has the flush, nice hand, but you still have plenty of outs.