JJ in BB.

Game #1384310655 - (blinds $0.05/$0.10) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/30-21:32:12.4 (CST) Table "Dominica" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button Seat 1: dabastone ($8.55 in chips) Seat 2: rustyy ($18.79 in chips) Seat 3: JMW01 ($9.30 in chips) Seat 4: spade321 ($23.80 in chips) Seat 5: zaphodb73 ($17.30 in chips) Seat 6: Z.E.P. ($9.85 in chips) Seat 7: bacmayday ($8.55 in chips) Seat 8: redgrape ($9.90 in chips) Seat 9: smarauder6801 ($16.86 in chips) Seat 10: skibum455 ($5.00 in chips)
bacmayday: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
redgrape: Post Big Blind ($0.10)
skibum455: Post ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Jh ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Jd ]
smarauder6801: Raise ($2)
skibum455: Fold
dabastone: Call ($2)
rustyy : Fold
JMW01 : Fold
spade321: Fold
zaphodb73: Fold
Z.E.P. : Fold
bacmayday: Fold
redgrape:????


I'm in the BB, i can't just call can i? Isn't this too good a hand to fold?

Really depends on your reads. Normally you'd expect atleast one of them to have AA/KK/QQ/AK. But if they've played like idiots before, you could think about a little gamble. "Standard" I'd fold this, but I've seen so many of these things end up as A4 vs K7 or 33 vs 88..

(and with a bigger BR I'd probably gamble these more often)

what the heck site is this?

i have to say my temptation is push. is a 20bbs raise utg really kk or aa? I think more likely 99/tt

I fold. JJ is nothing without initiative. Thats where it gets all its juice.

with QQ is it different?

Yeah with QQ I'd push this. You're only dominated by AA/KK now, cointoss vs AK, and you upgrade from cointoss to domination on two more hands that these kinds of guys get major confidence from: AQ KQ.

My general rule of thumb is AA/KK if they've been camping all day, doing nothing, and then throw an all-in, AA/KK/QQ/AK vs the more frequent pushers. Not that you can't play TT, but I like the better odds here.

For reference in a 3-way QQ vs AJ vs KQ you got 44.5% to take the pot with your QQ.

(with KK here you'd have 49.5%, with AA 62%.. but yeah, AA is ofcourse the granddaddy of all starting hands)

ya QQ is different

its the third best hand whereas JJ is the fifth

Just in. Got AJ. Raise 3BB. $2.5 guy throws himself all-in. Ok let's see it. KJ. Easy money. Hm, sat down with $6, stepped out 20 mins later with $13.50. I'm really bracing myself for downswings now..

(I even managed to make $2 off of a pure uncut bluff.. threw a lot of money on the table on the turn, he had to think hard before he folded, so he probably folded the better hand to my A high.. there were two 8s on the table after the turn, and he didn't have em, so I figured he might be afraid I did and gambled.. I also had the intimidation factor due to winning before, and I had seen him fold a lesser hand in the past)

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Originally Posted by jackvance

Just in. Got AJ. Raise 3BB. $2.5 guy throws himself all-in. Ok let's see it. KJ. Easy money. Hm, sat down with $6, stepped out 20 mins later with $13.50. I'm really bracing myself for downswings now..

(I even managed to make $2 off of a pure uncut bluff.. threw a lot of money on the table on the turn, he had to think hard before he folded, so he probably folded the better hand to my A high.. there were two 8s on the table after the turn, and he didn't have em, so I figured he might be afraid I did and gambled.. I also had the intimidation factor due to winning before, and I had seen him fold a lesser hand in the past)

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I don't really understand this reply.

Just to illustrate the kinds of hands people at 10NL will throw an all-in with.

make hands overbet them grossly
thats how you run high at 10nl.

Most important question: How big are their stacks? If small, push. If large enough, call for a set.

Whenever someone makes a raise, one of the firsts thing you should do is look at the size of their stack. So, post stack sizes next time please!

the stacks are there, it's just kinda of hard to read.

the raiser had me covered and the caller had $8.55