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This is exactly my 8th hand at the table, but CO and BB both appear to be aggro...
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $47.75
UTG+1: $40.75
CO: $44.55
Button: $55.75
SB: $26.55
BB: $38.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A:heart: Q:heart:
Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $4.55, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.
Flop: A:club: Q:diamond: K:spade: ($15.9, 3 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero ???
I would raise to $10 and proceed cautiously from there. We're obviously worried about the CO, but he has to have a better hand to stick around after our flop reraise. If he has something like AJ/KQ and won't fold then you will find another spot to get all of his chips. However common reraising hand ranges are obviously AA-TT AK-AQ, and most of that range just got hit in the face by that flop, and we know TT-JJ instafolds this flop to a bet and a raise.
I don't call raises with AQ any more unless I'm heads up vs. a donk - especially OOP. Even when they are sooted, I get suckered into hands like this where it costs too much to find out I was behind the whole time.
The call preflop isn't bad since he just minimum raised you. However, when you make that call, you are looking to flop the nuts or two queens. At least half of the average player's preflop 3 betting range has you drawing practically dead on that flop.
I would raise to 6, fold to any reraise and fold to any turn bet. If the villain were tight, I would probably just call the minbet and fold to any significant betting on the turn.
I am always torn by the silly little min bets. Sometimes, I just raise them with air on general principle. But sometimes, they are raise fishing.... Given it's the BB calling along, I bet he has JJ/TT/JT/KQ/AT/AJ/QJ... probably not KJ/KT/QT unless he super loose.
So, he has a single pair and a gutshot, or bottom two, or the nuts.
I would definitly NOT raise this flop bet with CO yet to act, unless he was both loose pre-flop and weak post flop (... but usually these guys just limp in pre-flop, so he's got sumphin)
I would flat call the stupid .50. 30:1 pot odds! CO will probably raise, and you can close out the betting depending on how much the raise is and what BB idjit does. If CO calls behind, well, you might have just give a cheap draw at a gutshot... but you got a cheap draw at a boat! (assuming no one flopped a set)
Okay, so we've got one raise to $10 and proceed cautiously, one raise to $6 and fold to any reraise, one fold to the raise preflop and one call the minbet. I chose the first...
Stack sizes:
Hero: $47.75
UTG+1: $40.75
CO: $44.55
Button: $55.75
SB: $26.55
BB: $38.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A:heart: Q:heart:
Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $4.55, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.
Flop: A:club: Q:diamond: K:spade: ($15.9, 3 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $10, CO folds, BB raises to $20 Hero ???
So CO's out of the action. His hand obviously wasn't as good as it first appeared. But BB seems to have some confidence. What now?
Now you fold.
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
no way AQ good here in most situations
Unless you have a very good read you are good and opp is a donk drop it. 9.9/10 times this is an insta fold
Is the money behind ( or lack thereof) a consideration?
No - except that it means that if you draw out on him somehow you won't make anything back on your bad call. He clearly wants action and would be perfectly happy for you to put him all in.
CO probably had JJ or TT.
Well, after 8 hands, I can't honestly say I had a "very good" read that opp was a donk, but I did detect a certain donkish air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Results:
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A:heart: Q:heart:
Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $4.55, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.
Flop: A:club: Q:diamond: K:spade: ($15.9, 3 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $10, CO folds, BB raises to $20, Hero raises all-in $43.2, BB calls all-in $14.7.
Uncalled bets: $8.5 returned to Hero.
Turn: 9:club: ($85.3, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $85.3)
River: 3:spade: ($85.3, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $85.3)
Results:
Final pot: $85.3
Hero showed Ah Qh
BB showed As 7s
Regardless of the result though, I realize that this would be a very loose/bad play on my part under most circumstances against a decent opp. So the question is, what kind of read would you need to make it?
Villain here was a total donk. That's donkishness of the highest rank. Personally, I would need that kind of read - a read that said villain was highly inclined to deploy weird little bets and check-raises, or re-raises, with hands that were very weak even on dangerous boards. I'd need to see him do it two or three times. And then I'd starting looking him up regularly with any good hand.
If you read donkish ness then go with it
However as a rule, AQ no good here me thinks.
Nh regardless
You so smart!