Turn Play.

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05-07-2006, 10:41 PM
fasin8ing

Turn Play.

Need help on these hands. My turn play is either horrible or Iam being to cautious. Or am I just over reacting? Thoughts-

Do i need to grab a hold down there and figure out WTF, or am I being cautious like I should? :roll:

Here is my play with balls...

#Game No : 4210349319
***** Hand History for Game 4210349319 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 07, 18:13:24 ET 2006
Table Put You On (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: silverfox126 ( $17.40 )
Seat 5: stiesn ( $22 )
Seat 6: ontilt829305 ( $24.65 )
Seat 8: buddy520 ( $8.85 )
Seat 7: fasin8ing1 ( $24.75 )
Seat 4: BepBakhuis ( $23 )
Seat 1: super_scoop ( $25.04 )
Seat 10: DiveMaster_1 ( $24.40 )
Seat 3: akinfotech ( $25 )
Seat 9: wezvidz ( $25 )
silverfox126 posts small blind [$0.10].
akinfotech is sitting out.
BepBakhuis posts big blind [$0.25].
wezvidz posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ 2d 2c ]
stiesn calls [$0.25].
ontilt829305 raises [$1].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1].
buddy520 folds.
wezvidz folds.
DiveMaster_1 folds.
super_scoop folds.
silverfox126 folds.
BepBakhuis folds.
stiesn calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Jc, 4h ]
stiesn checks.
ontilt829305 bets [$4].
fasin8ing1 calls [$4].
stiesn folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
ontilt829305 bets [$10].
fasin8ing1 is all-In [$19.75]

Here is my play with one ball in my hand.

#Game No : 4210411868
***** Hand History for Game 4210411868 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 07, 18:21:10 ET 2006
Table Put You On (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: silverfox126 ( $18.96 )
Seat 5: stiesn ( $19.75 )
Seat 6: ontilt829305 ( $23.90 )
Seat 7: fasin8ing1 ( $48.15 )
Seat 4: BepBakhuis ( $7.81 )
Seat 1: super_scoop ( $33.46 )
Seat 10: DiveMaster_1 ( $22.65 )
Seat 3: akinfotech ( $38.78 )
Seat 9: wezvidz ( $26.38 )
Seat 8: Lord_Brandon ( $24.75 )
silverfox126 posts small blind [$0.10].
akinfotech posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Jc Qc ]
BepBakhuis folds.
stiesn calls [$0.25].
ontilt829305 folds.
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.25].
Lord_Brandon folds.
wezvidz folds.
DiveMaster_1 folds.
super_scoop raises [$1].
silverfox126 folds.
akinfotech folds.
stiesn folds.
fasin8ing1 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Ts, 9c ]
fasin8ing1 checks.
super_scoop bets [$1.50].
fasin8ing1 calls [$1.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
fasin8ing1 checks. <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OESFD .. NO BET ???
super_scoop checks.

Here my nuts are burried under my ass and Iam sitting on them.

#Game No : 4210529483
***** Hand History for Game 4210529483 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 07, 18:34:58 ET 2006
Table Easy Rider (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: flankster ( $1.30 )
Seat 2: BlackBart22 ( $78.09 )
Seat 3: StickyFi ( $22.70 )
Seat 4: Vlvt_grnd ( $45.56 )
Seat 5: Molly_McButter ( $25.25 )
Seat 10: AZ_Realtor ( $15.15 )
Seat 8: fasin8ing1 ( $24.75 )
Seat 7: HunkyRabbit ( $27.55 )
Seat 6: wilder_man ( $7.45 )
Seat 9: miaflboi ( $29.15 )
BlackBart22 posts small blind [$0.10].
StickyFi posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fasin8ing1 [ Kh Kd ]
>You have options at Table 96358 Table!.
Vlvt_grnd folds.
Molly_McButter calls [$0.25].
wilder_man calls [$0.25].
nice catch
HunkyRabbit calls [$0.25].
fasin8ing1 raises [$1.25].
miaflboi folds.
AZ_Realtor folds.
flankster folds.
BlackBart22 folds.
StickyFi calls [$1].
Molly_McButter calls [$1].
wilder_man calls [$1].
HunkyRabbit calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Td, 3d ]
>You have options at Table 96358 Table!.
StickyFi checks.
Molly_McButter checks.
wilder_man checks.
HunkyRabbit checks.
fasin8ing1 checks. " I hope that Ace of Diamonds Hits "
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
StickyFi checks.
Molly_McButter checks.
wilder_man checks.
HunkyRabbit checks.
fasin8ing1 checks. " I hope that Ace of diamonds hits "
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
>You have options at Table 96358 Table!.
StickyFi bets [$2].
Molly_McButter folds.
wilder_man folds.
HunkyRabbit folds.
fasin8ing1 raises [$4.50].
StickyFi raises [$7].
fasin8ing1 folds.
StickyFi does not show cards.
StickyFi wins $19.10
miaflboi has left the table.
Game #4210544969 starts.
05-07-2006, 10:52 PM
sunfunbunch

Hand 3: Ouch. Where do I start?
If you REALLY think he has AdXx then why not just CALL his bet on the river instead of raising?

I would have bet this flop, and bet it once again on the turn.

**You have 3 limpers infront of you and only raise to 1.25.
I recall in another post that you bet 1.25 with TWO limpers. Pump it up a little more preflop.

How do you decide how much to preflop raise?
When I used to play TAG on ring games I would raise 1+.25 for each limper... so I guess that would have been 1.75 preflop for me.

Hand 2 shows why calling raisers out of position sucks even when you hit your draw.
05-07-2006, 11:32 PM
fasin8ing

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfunbunch

Hand 3: Ouch. Where do I start?
If you REALLY think he has AdXx then why not just CALL his bet on the river instead of raising?

I would have bet this flop, and bet it once again on the turn.

**You have 3 limpers infront of you and only raise to 1.25.
I recall in another post that you bet 1.25 with TWO limpers. Pump it up a little more preflop.

How do you decide how much to preflop raise?
When I used to play TAG on ring games I would raise 1+.25 for each limper... so I guess that would have been 1.75 preflop for me.

Hand 2 shows why calling raisers out of position sucks even when you hit your draw.

I misplayed that river you are CORRECT. Hand 3 I would rather eat goat nuts in oatmeal than talk about.

I only raise with a short list of hands. Its my own hand selection. I raise 5 X the BB. Are you saying maybe I should put some more PF aggression into my hands like Q K, AJ, AK, AQ, AA, KK , QQ?????????
05-07-2006, 11:56 PM
sunfunbunch

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasin8ing

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfunbunch

Hand 3: Ouch. Where do I start?
If you REALLY think he has AdXx then why not just CALL his bet on the river instead of raising?

I would have bet this flop, and bet it once again on the turn.

**You have 3 limpers infront of you and only raise to 1.25.
I recall in another post that you bet 1.25 with TWO limpers. Pump it up a little more preflop.

How do you decide how much to preflop raise?
When I used to play TAG on ring games I would raise 1+.25 for each limper... so I guess that would have been 1.75 preflop for me.

Hand 2 shows why calling raisers out of position sucks even when you hit your draw.

I misplayed that river you are CORRECT. Hand 3 I would rather eat goat nuts in oatmeal than talk about.

I only raise with a short list of hands. Its my own hand selection. I raise 5 X the BB. Are you saying maybe I should put some more PF aggression into my hands like Q K, AJ, AK, AQ, AA, KK , QQ?????????

Maybe you should be raising MORE preflop BECAUSE you raise with a short list of hands.
I believe some people raise 0.75 + .25x [where x = limpers]
or 1 + 0.25X [where x = limpers] in the 25nl games.

When you only raise $1 on top, and the first person calls, it gives the next person greater odds to call, etc.

Ah well.. it's been a long time since I've played this way ... but try pumping it up more preflop when you get callers infront.

:wink:
05-08-2006, 12:04 AM
fasin8ing

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunfunbunch

Ah well.. it's been a long time since I've played this way ... but try pumping it up more preflop when you get callers infront.

:wink:

I beleive you. I use that style for tourny play... So I agree. But ring is weird, I get no players in the hand. anything over a buck fifty - people pack up shop.
05-08-2006, 02:00 AM
sunfunbunch

Yeah, they don't like to suck out when it's more expensive.

Fine by me =) :twisted:
05-08-2006, 05:27 AM
Fnord

Hand 1: Calling the turn is fine too, depends on the other guy. You're pot-struck anyway, so figure out what gets his money into the pot.
Hand 2: When you hit on the scare card you have to bet it, otherwise you'll only get action from better hand or really aggro players.
Hand 3: I think I gamble it up on the turn. Raising the river is really silly, you got to see a showdown here.
05-08-2006, 05:50 AM
renegaderob1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 2: When you hit on the scare card you have to bet it, otherwise you'll only get action from better hand or really aggro players.
Hand 3: I think I gamble it up on the turn. Raising the river is really silly, you got to see a showdown here.

Hand 2: Definately bet this turn. I prob even bet this flop depending on what i think he has

Hand 3: definately raise this turn. Anything wrong with betting the flop Fnord?
05-08-2006, 05:53 AM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Anything wrong with betting the flop Fnord?

Misread hand, didn't see all 3 diamonds on the flop. Yeah, I think I just get all of the money in there. I might even do something silly like push all-in on the flop.
05-08-2006, 08:59 AM
fasin8ing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Anything wrong with betting the flop Fnord?

Misread hand, didn't see all 3 diamonds on the flop. Yeah, I think I just get all of the money in there. I might even do something silly like push all-in on the flop.

All and All is it safe to say I am playing too cautious? Iam aggressive as I can be when Iam way out in front.. Its mediocre kinda hands like those where Iam like .. well.... umm.... huh... I second guess myself. Once again either Iam giving my opponents too much credit at this level or Iam being too passive.
05-08-2006, 09:30 AM
renegaderob1

Yeah, I think this may be a bit too passive/cautious...First hand I like; your opps name sounds familiar as well and if it's the same guy I've played against you probably got payed of nicely there?

I know what you mean about second guessing yourself, i had (and to an extent still have) a very similar problem, but lately I have been working on my aggression/LAG play/aggressive hand reading and it seems to be the way to go as you move up past 50NL...
05-08-2006, 03:27 PM
johnny_fish

Hand 1: Fine, although just calling is maybe better. You'll have to make sure all of his money gets in the pot. Giving an A/K to AK makes that more likely.

Hand 2: Usually fold preflop, drawing hand OOP HU sucks. Calling flop is fine, I like c/r better though. Bet turn!

Hand 3: Raise pf more (depends on table, but getting 4 callers is ridiculous), bet flop, bet half pot turn, just call river.

To summarize: Turn up the aggression!