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05-12-2006, 04:53 AM
bluey

look at this line. TPTK

villian is running 34/17/6

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($136.10)
UTG ($95.65)
MP ($184.50)
CO ($100)
Button ($102.40)
SB ($169.26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, UTG calls $5, MP calls $5.

Flop: ($18.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $36, MP folds, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($90.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $54, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $144.50
05-12-2006, 05:39 AM
bdawg56kg

Looks good. If you think he is aggro enough to semi-bluff or bluff the turn, then I would check, but your line is fine also.
05-12-2006, 02:13 PM
bluey

Thats what I was wondering, am I letting him off cheap. But there are cards that I dont want to see on the river if he checks behind.
05-12-2006, 02:35 PM
Robert

Your line is fine. I differ between betting the turn (and folding to a raise) and checking it (partly to induce a bluff). I think both options are good with your read (though with the flushdraw out there I lean towards betting).
05-12-2006, 03:24 PM
aislephive

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Originally Posted by Robert

Your line is fine. I differ between betting the turn (and folding to a raise) and checking it (partly to induce a bluff). I think both options are good with your read (though with the flushdraw out there I lean towards betting).

With these stack sizes any 1/2 pot + bet on the turn committs us. I probably open push the turn.
05-12-2006, 04:34 PM
Robert

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Originally Posted by aislephive

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Originally Posted by Robert

Your line is fine. I differ between betting the turn (and folding to a raise) and checking it (partly to induce a bluff). I think both options are good with your read (though with the flushdraw out there I lean towards betting).

With these stack sizes any 1/2 pot + bet on the turn committs us. I probably open push the turn.

yeah, I didnt really notice that hero actually put villain allin on the turn
05-12-2006, 04:58 PM
Silly String

If you are planning to put him all in on a non club turn, why don't you just push over his raise? If you push on the flop you are much more likely to get a caller from a stupid flush draw. As played you let the flush draw off easy, but you only save yourself from a set or T2P if a club comes.
05-12-2006, 05:41 PM
alias2211

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Originally Posted by Silly String

If you are planning to put him all in on a non club turn, why don't you just push over his raise? If you push on the flop you are much more likely to get a caller from a stupid flush draw. As played you let the flush draw off easy, but you only save yourself from a set or T2P if a club comes.

yes.
05-12-2006, 07:00 PM
Robert

bluey, is your sn on party "blueykthx"?
05-12-2006, 07:01 PM
aislephive

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Originally Posted by Silly String

If you are planning to put him all in on a non club turn, why don't you just push over his raise? If you push on the flop you are much more likely to get a caller from a stupid flush draw. As played you let the flush draw off easy, but you only save yourself from a set or T2P if a club comes.

A lot of times it is correct to just call the flop and push a safe turn card, I think this is a good example of it. If you push the flop he is going to call with a flush draw and won't be making a big mistake by doing so. If you think somebody is on a draw, just call and get it in on a safe turn, it's a great method to shut out draws.
05-12-2006, 07:33 PM
zenbitz

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Originally Posted by aislephive

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Originally Posted by Silly String

If you are planning to put him all in on a non club turn, why don't you just push over his raise? If you push on the flop you are much more likely to get a caller from a stupid flush draw. As played you let the flush draw off easy, but you only save yourself from a set or T2P if a club comes.

A lot of times it is correct to just call the flop and push a safe turn card, I think this is a good example of it. If you push the flop he is going to call with a flush draw and won't be making a big mistake by doing so. If you think somebody is on a draw, just call and get it in on a safe turn, it's a great method to shut out draws.

What do you do when the T:clubs: hits? Fold?
Is calling with 8 outs and 2 cards to come for X a bigger mistake than calling X/2 with 1 card to come?
05-12-2006, 07:53 PM
aislephive

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

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Originally Posted by aislephive

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Originally Posted by Silly String

If you are planning to put him all in on a non club turn, why don't you just push over his raise? If you push on the flop you are much more likely to get a caller from a stupid flush draw. As played you let the flush draw off easy, but you only save yourself from a set or T2P if a club comes.

A lot of times it is correct to just call the flop and push a safe turn card, I think this is a good example of it. If you push the flop he is going to call with a flush draw and won't be making a big mistake by doing so. If you think somebody is on a draw, just call and get it in on a safe turn, it's a great method to shut out draws.

What do you do when the T:clubs: hits? Fold?
Is calling with 8 outs and 2 cards to come for X a bigger mistake than calling X/2 with 1 card to come?

If you call and the ten of clubs hits the turn, then it is time check fold since now you beat nothing. This card probably slows him down if he has an ace or two pair, so if he pushes it's either a flush or a poor bluff attempt.
05-12-2006, 11:22 PM
johnny_fish

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villian is running 34/17/6

So would you really c/f if the club hit (getting 3:1)?
05-13-2006, 01:24 AM
aislephive

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Originally Posted by johnny_fish

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villian is running 34/17/6

So would you really c/f if the club hit (getting 3:1)?

I'm not saying I would nessicarily check-fold without a good read. If I put him on a flush draw then yes, check folding to a turn club would be the right play and pushing a non turn club would be good. If you think he has just top pair then I wouldn't. Just because he is running 34/17 doesn't mean he is on a suicide attempt though.