Top pair, good draw; Why are these people in these hands?

This is fucking annoying. Lost a buyin today because of 3 hands where people picked up a trips on the flop because they had some bullshit j3 q4 k7 hand or something.

PokerStars Game #4912158599: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 16:43:38 (ET)
Table 'Hypatia II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Undertow_11 ($4.55 in chips)
Seat 2: wangpirate ($6.85 in chips)
Seat 3: CesarCesar ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 4: SoulofOneCom ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 5: johnnyBuz ($6.65 in chips)
Seat 6: SunriseHero ($14.55 in chips)
SunriseHero: posts small blind $0.10
Undertow_11: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Ts As]
SunriseHero said, "ty"
wangpirate: folds
CesarCesar: folds
SoulofOneCom: calls $0.25
johnnyBuz: raises $0.50 to $0.75
SunriseHero said, "thought u had higher flush, but was willing to pay u off, lol"
SunriseHero: folds
Undertow_11: folds
SoulofOneCom: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [2s 4s 4c]
SoulofOneCom: checks
johnnyBuz: bets $1
SoulofOneCom: calls $1
*** TURN *** [2s 4s 4c] [Ad]
SoulofOneCom: checks
johnnyBuz: bets $4.90 and is all-in
SoulofOneCom: calls $4.60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2s 4s 4c Ad] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SoulofOneCom: shows [Qs 4h] (three of a kind, Fours)
johnnyBuz: mucks hand
SoulofOneCom collected $12.45 from pot
SunriseHero said, "vnh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.05 | Rake $0.60
Board [2s 4s 4c Ad 7d]
Seat 1: Undertow_11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: wangpirate folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: CesarCesar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SoulofOneCom showed [Qs 4h] and won ($12.45) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 5: johnnyBuz (button) mucked [Ts As]
Seat 6: SunriseHero (small blind) folded before Flop

i guess he played it nice. love to see people in the room go "vnh" when he plays q4o to a raise. wow.

Seat 5: johnnyBuz ($6.65 in chips) - Why? Didn't get a chance to reload yet?

Trust me.. if villian keeps calling your raises with Q4o be happy about it... this is like a broken record on this forum but I'll say it again.. "Don't be so results oriented."

i know everyone says dont be results oriented, but its hard not to when this happenes over and over and over again. i lose so many buyins to people making donk plays. all i want to do is be the guy who gets some retard to call all-in with bottom pair like i see happen once a day atleast.

why cant i ever be involved in big pots where i am the winner? its either small pots that add up, only to be lost to donk plays, or me losing large pots.

i dont know what i want to do anymore. when i consistently make money at live poker, and consistently lose at online poker, it makes me think there is a flaw in the system.

here is a typical hand i get involved in: meanwhile, a few hands before im sitting on the button with k9s it gets raised $1, i dont think i should make that call so i lay it down, board comes kx9. turn is another 9 to give me a boat, and the river is another 9 to give me quads. meanwhile this pot got out of control, like $35 total (which is alot at these limits) and they ended up having air and an underpair. WTF? why does this never happen when im in a hand.

PokerStars Game #4912315639: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 17:00:54 (ET)
Table 'Bellona III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 2: stonesnbones ($11 in chips)
Seat 3: mrcx ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: acesn8s37 ($20.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Gosifer ($33 in chips)
Seat 6: cmonleeds ($9.25 in chips)
Gosifer: posts small blind $0.10
cmonleeds: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Kc As]
johnnyBuz: raises $0.50 to $0.75
stonesnbones: folds
acesn8s37 said, "i shouldn't have let you draw on me"
mrcx: folds
acesn8s37: folds
Gosifer: folds
cmonleeds: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [7s Ad 8c]
cmonleeds: checks
johnnyBuz: bets $1.50
cmonleeds: folds
johnnyBuz collected $1.55 from pot
johnnyBuz: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.05
Board [7s Ad 8c]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz collected ($1.55)
Seat 2: stonesnbones folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mrcx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: acesn8s37 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Gosifer (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: cmonleeds (big blind) folded on the Flop

:cry: Don't really know what else to say? Maybe you should play chess?

i think i blew my chance at making more money here. i'm never sure how to play sets and to trap people. i guess this was too much for him to call with air presumably?

PokerStars Game #4912378736: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 17:07:48 (ET)
Table 'Bellona III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 2: stonesnbones ($12.55 in chips)
Seat 3: mrcx ($20.55 in chips)
Seat 4: acesn8s37 ($18.85 in chips)
Seat 5: Gosifer ($32.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cmonleeds ($8.05 in chips)
johnnyBuz: posts small blind $0.10
stonesnbones: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [6h 6d]
mrcx: folds
acesn8s37: folds
Gosifer: raises $0.75 to $1
cmonleeds: folds
johnnyBuz: calls $0.90
stonesnbones: folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 6s 4c]
johnnyBuz: checks
Gosifer: bets $1.25
johnnyBuz: raises $2 to $3.25
Gosifer: folds
johnnyBuz collected $4.55 from pot
johnnyBuz: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20
Board [2c 6s 4c]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz (small blind) collected ($4.55)
Seat 2: stonesnbones (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: mrcx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: acesn8s37 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Gosifer folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cmonleeds (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

why cant i ever be involved in big pots where i am the winner? its either small pots that add up, only to be lost to donk plays, or me losing large pots.

i dont know what i want to do anymore. when i consistently make money at live poker, and consistently lose at online poker, it makes me think there is a flaw in the system.

goodness - this is sad - You raise 2BB's and you want respect for it? 50c raise is a nuisance raise at this level - If you are going to raise (when you don't want Q,4 in there) then raise at LEAST 3.5bb - If that doesn't work, do 5xBB next time - Find the bet level that achieves the results you want.

You WANT players calling you with Q,4 - You want them to call your all in when you've got 4 flush and top pair - Besides that, how can you get any big pots when your playing with $6.65 at a NL25 table? You are playing as a short stacker - short stacks get no respect because it costs us very little - If I don't have much to lose, i'm going to play a lot looser -

I have to say for the other 2 - what do you expect? if you get a large bet called when you've only got 1 pair, that usually means you are in trouble - Take your small pot and move on - The 6's flopping a set - why not check and call there? You are either going to take down the pot (like your re-raise did), or someone is going to draw on you with flush/straight draws and you could then lose a big pot - I would play the 6's the exact way you did - 2 clubs and 3 coordinated low cards isn't good - don't let anyone draw cheap - The best way to flop a set is to have those pocket 6's and have the board be something like K,6,3 - the top pairs will call you all day long on that kinda board - that is when you can make a big pot - Would you rather turn that top set into a big pot by letting someone in with A,3c where they have the flush draw with a gut?

also, live games, In my experience, are much looser than online games - I don't know why - maybe it's people seeing exactly how much $$ is in front of them all the time, the multitablers - too mnay people reading books about starting hands, etc - but you can't generalize it this much - Each game online is different - Tight/Aggressive, Weak/Passive etc. Find the game that fits your style - If you want big pots with your big hands, play in a NL game where you've got 5-8 people seeing a flop evne with a raise - Or play in a tight game where 2 or 3 people are seeing the flop - I hate those games personally - (the NL table selection is great for this) but you have to know which you prefer -

I think you also are thinking of your "good hands" in terms of limit poker it seems - In Limit, AK flopping a King is a good thing - In NL with that, if you get action you could be in big trouble - I will take pocket 5's over AK in a NL game - The 5's don't get me in trouble - the AK will -

as for setting people up - Play it different - People at these levels are CHRONIC slowplayers - Mix up your game - Sometimes bet with a made hand, sometimes mini-bet to feign weakness - Check raise someone a small amount to annoy them - try to mix things up - Just don't get married to your hands -

also, my personal feeling about NL is that I want to make money on my big hands - I tend to bet more than players would expect - Plenty of times I don't get called...but you know what is funny about poker players at low limit NL games? They don't like feeling like someone is pushing them around - Sometimes I underbet, but most of the time I am betting so it looks like i'm trying to steal it - After I do this a few times, they don't like it - They call just because they think you are stealing -

Raise more prf, especially with limpers. Raising 3xBB with a hand like AT after a limper is just asking for trouble. Generally I raise 4xBB and I add 1bb for every one or two limpers in front of me.

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

i know everyone says dont be results oriented, but its hard not to when this happenes over and over and over again. i lose so many buyins to people making donk plays. all i want to do is be the guy who gets some retard to call all-in with bottom pair like i see happen once a day atleast.

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IT'S FIFTY CENTS. That's why he called you with Q4o. Because you can't even get a cup of coffee for $0.50.

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why cant i ever be involved in big pots where i am the winner? its either small pots that add up, only to be lost to donk plays, or me losing large pots.

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STBY!

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i dont know what i want to do anymore. when i consistently make money at live poker, and consistently lose at online poker, it makes me think there is a flaw in the system.

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Clearly, on line players are better.

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

i think i blew my chance at making more money here. i'm never sure how to play sets and to trap people. i guess this was too much for him to call with air presumably?

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Why check/raise here? This flop misses 90% of hands. Your only hope to get any money is if he thinks you're bluffing or he has an overpair, or he hits on the turn.

On this flop - what could someone have? Overcards or a pocket pair. A6? Maybe. Draws, certainly. I would bet out. If you get raised, villian has a good draw or over pair (or another set). Happily get all cheep in. If villian has overs, he will probably fold, but one way or another, he's folding on the turn unless he hits an over. So you are better off hoping he has some kinda hand, and betting. That's how you win big pots.

Read Doyle, SS2. Although you cannot be that aggressive at $25NL/online, you will get called down.

thanks for the help guys. the reason i do 3x BB at .10/.25 is because $1 preflop raise hardly EVER gets called. its like, people can call .75 no problem, but when it gets to be $1 its folded all around. maybe it's a mental thing on my part as well, and once i get past that and start consistently raising $1 every time, people will start to realize it's put up or shut up.

and on a related note, PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PokerStars Game #4913069412: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 18:20:10 (ET)
Table 'Menippe III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: LilTitan0751 ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 4: j0shooah ($26.35 in chips)
Seat 5: jimboss21 ($34.10 in chips)
Seat 6: bill carson ($13.40 in chips)
jimboss21: posts small blind $0.10
bill carson: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Qc Ac]
johnnyBuz: raises $0.50 to $0.75
gockman leaves the table
LilTitan0751: folds
j0shooah: folds
jimboss21: raises $1.25 to $2
bill carson: folds
johnnyBuz: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [2c Jc Th]
jimboss21: checks
johnnyBuz: bets $2.25
jimboss21: calls $2.25
*** TURN *** [2c Jc Th] [2s]
jimboss21: bets $4
johnnyBuz: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [2c Jc Th 2s] [8c]
jimboss21: checks
johnnyBuz: bets $16.75 and is all-in
jimboss21: calls $16.75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johnnyBuz: shows [Qc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
jimboss21: mucks hand
johnnyBuz collected $48.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.25 | Rake $2
Board [2c Jc Th 2s 8c]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz showed [Qc Ac] and won ($48.25) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: LilTitan0751 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: j0shooah (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jimboss21 (small blind) mucked [9s Ah]
Seat 6: bill carson (big blind) folded before Flop

I don't know what else to say Play on Party? 1 raises get called and 1.25 and 1.5 do too.

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

thanks for the help guys. the reason i do 3x BB at .10/.25 is because $1 preflop raise hardly EVER gets called. its like, people can call .75 no problem, but when it gets to be $1 its folded all around. maybe it's a mental thing on my part as well, and once i get past that and start consistently raising $1 every time, people will start to realize it's put up or shut up.

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Yeah do it more, people will get used to it and start calling. It's normal to see it folded to if the table is not used to it. I tend to raise a few marginal hands first, because of the very fact that they will probably get folds. As long as people keep folding, I keep raising very loose and always c-betting.

these are the hands that really bug me. because 50% of the time they have the ace, and 50% of the time they have garbage. so i employ the $1 raise, and get called. i either lose a lot here, or win small because i don't feel like "losing" more when it turns out that they have gargage.

PokerStars Game #4913245244: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 18:36:47 (ET)
Table 'Menippe III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($51.55 in chips)
Seat 3: TheSuck ($18.30 in chips)
Seat 4: j0shooah ($33.35 in chips)
Seat 5: mike_the_cat ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: yex17 ($4.45 in chips)
johnnyBuz: posts small blind $0.10
bizzybones12 has timed out
bizzybones12: is sitting out
TheSuck: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Jc Jd]
j0shooah: calls $0.25
mike_the_cat: folds
yex17: folds
johnnyBuz: raises $0.75 to $1
TheSuck: calls $0.75
j0shooah: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [8d 7s As]
johnnyBuz: checks
TheSuck: checks
j0shooah: checks
*** TURN *** [8d 7s As] [8c]
johnnyBuz: bets $2
TheSuck: calls $2
j0shooah: folds
*** RIVER *** [8d 7s As 8c] [4d]
johnnyBuz: checks
TheSuck: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johnnyBuz: shows [Jc Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
TheSuck: mucks hand
johnnyBuz collected $6.70 from pot
bizzybones12 has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7 | Rake $0.30
Board [8d 7s As 8c 4d]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz (small blind) showed [Jc Jd] and won ($6.70) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 3: TheSuck (big blind) mucked [6h 7d]
Seat 4: j0shooah folded on the Turn
Seat 5: mike_the_cat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: yex17 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[quote="johnnyBuz"]thanks for the help guys. the reason i do 3x BB at .10/.25 is because $1 preflop raise hardly EVER gets called. its like, people can call .75 no problem, but when it gets to be $1 its folded all around.

I think you should mix it up - some people think raising the same amount all the time doesn't give off a read of your hand - Thats why they recommend it - I find you get a lot more action when players start gunning for you - If you've got AK and raise 75c and get 5 callers, that isn't a good thing - what kind of table image do you have? I will occasionally call a tight player who raises 3xBB because if I outflop him, he will be married to his KK, AK, overpair etc...I can hit a weird gut shot or 2 pair and really make them pay - raise with non-premium hands once in awhile also - If soemone sees you win a pot with 8,6 suited, when you raised 3xBB, you are going to get aLOT of action for awhile - If you are only raising 75c, and only with big cards, its too easy to put you on a hand -

yah sometimes i mix up my play and raise with garbage. like i had 4-8h on the button, raised it 75 and got 3 callers. 2 hearts came and i paired my 8, mid pair. checked around and i raised it to the pot, got folded to me and i showed it to a "what a bad play" from some guy.

Boo hoo, you lost one buyin. Who cares? If you can't handle losing 1 buyin then poker is not the game for you. Besides that you are tilting and playing poorly, your confidence sucks. You are losing not because a site is rigged, you are either losing because of variance or you are playing bad. Maybe both.

Don't ever sit down at a25nl game with 6 dollars ever again, either. Raise more preflop in the first hand too, at least $1, probably $1.25-$1.50 is better, but it's 50 cents for that guy to call after he already put in a quarter, do you really think he is folding?

this is what i'm talking about though. sometimes its just a matter of getting into a rhythm, catching my stride. i was just asking myself, "i think i have played about 600 hands the past 3 days and iv'e yet to see pocket rockets." well... now what is the course of action when you have aces in position on someone and he raises you? like here, he raised $1 and i just doubled it. should i have gone more? he later told me my raise had told him i had a pretty good pp, but not sure which. he thought maybe jacks.

PokerStars Game #4913316998: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 18:43:31 (ET)
Table 'Menippe III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($55.90 in chips)
Seat 2: bizzybones12 ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 3: TheSuck ($8.60 in chips)
Seat 4: j0shooah ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 5: mike_the_cat ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 6: yex17 ($4.10 in chips)
TheSuck: posts small blind $0.10
j0shooah: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Ad Ac]
mike_the_cat: raises $0.75 to $1
yex17: folds
johnnyBuz: raises $1 to $2
bizzybones12: folds
TheSuck: folds
j0shooah: folds
mike_the_cat: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6d Qd Kh]
mike_the_cat: bets $2.60
johnnyBuz: calls $2.60
*** TURN *** [6d Qd Kh] [6h]
mike_the_cat: bets $5
johnnyBuz: raises $5 to $10
mike_the_cat: folds
johnnyBuz collected $18.60 from pot
johnnyBuz: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.55 | Rake $0.95
Board [6d Qd Kh 6h]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz collected ($18.60)
Seat 2: bizzybones12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TheSuck (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: j0shooah (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mike_the_cat folded on the Turn
Seat 6: yex17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

its amazing to see how quickly a mood can change when you start catching some cards, get your mind set, and start playing pretty good poker again. the first few posts look like some bitchy whiner who is sick of losing money (i am!) but i need to realize that having that mentality is only losing me more money. it just happens so much!!!!!! grr

having chips at a table also allows me to play looser, more of the game i would like to play, and make some plays at pots that i would never consider when i have $6 at a table. like this, dumb min-bets on the turn and river tell me he has a low pair, probably the 6. also, somebody on here said a lot of the time it's better to make your plays on the turn rather then always on the flop. it mixes up your play and makes them less likely to call i believe. (something like that)

PokerStars Game #4913498627: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/12 - 19:00:39 (ET)
Table 'Menippe III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($63.95 in chips)
Seat 2: bizzybones12 ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 3: groels68 ($3.25 in chips)
Seat 4: bigmike0311 ($13.40 in chips)
Seat 5: mike_the_cat ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 6: yex17 ($13.40 in chips)
groels68: posts small blind $0.10
bigmike0311: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Th Jh]
mike_the_cat: folds
yex17: folds
johnnyBuz: calls $0.25
bizzybones12: folds
groels68: calls $0.15
bigmike0311: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 6s Ac]
groels68: checks
bigmike0311: bets $0.25
johnnyBuz: calls $0.25
groels68: folds
*** TURN *** [3c 6s Ac] [9s]
bigmike0311: bets $0.25
johnnyBuz: raises $1.25 to $1.50
bigmike0311: folds
johnnyBuz collected $1.70 from pot
johnnyBuz: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.75 | Rake $0.05
Board [3c 6s Ac 9s]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz collected ($1.70)
Seat 2: bizzybones12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: groels68 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: bigmike0311 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: mike_the_cat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: yex17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

If you find that people aren't ever calling 4bb raises, start raising with rags, and show when they all fold. Do this enough times and they should hopefully start calling you more. (This doesn't always work, and it sucks when it doesn't. Just work through it. I was where you are at at one point, as was everyone. In the long run, everything balances out. Play good poker and you'll come out on top.

i love making spot on reads. would you guys play this hand similarly? i put him on AK after he called my raise, although i still wanted to see how he reacted to the flop. i think i still should have raised the flop, because he definitely would have called as evident by his turn call. what would you have done on the river? at that point, i wasn't 100% certain i had the best hand and i was potentially thinking a higher PP. how much of a river bet would you throw out? somehow i doubt AK would call though, unless he was a huge donk who put me on AQ or something. the flush draw scared me a bit as well though.

PokerStars Game #4923176177: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/13 - 16:45:59 (ET)
Table 'Euphemia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 2: therese82 ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Rools ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Franchise679 ($7.50 in chips)
Franchise679: posts small blind $0.10
johnnyBuz: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Ts Th]
therese82: raises $1 to $1.25
Rools: folds
Franchise679: folds
johnnyBuz: raises $1.75 to $3
therese82: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [5d 9s 9d]
johnnyBuz: checks
therese82: checks
*** TURN *** [5d 9s 9d] [6d]
johnnyBuz: bets $5
therese82: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [5d 9s 9d 6d] [5c]
johnnyBuz: checks
therese82: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johnnyBuz: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
therese82: mucks hand
johnnyBuz collected $15.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.10 | Rake $0.75
Board [5d 9s 9d 6d 5c]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz (big blind) showed [Ts Th] and won ($15.35) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 2: therese82 mucked [Kh Ad]
Seat 3: Rools (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Franchise679 (small blind) folded before Flop

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

i love making spot on reads. would you guys play this hand similarly? i put him on AK after he called my raise, although i still wanted to see how he reacted to the flop. i think i still should have raised the flop, because he definitely would have called as evident by his turn call. what would you have done on the river? at that point, i wasn't 100% certain i had the best hand and i was potentially thinking a higher PP. how much of a river bet would you throw out? somehow i doubt AK would call though, unless he was a huge donk who put me on AQ or something. the flush draw scared me a bit as well though.

PokerStars Game #4923176177: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/05/13 - 16:45:59 (ET)
Table 'Euphemia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: johnnyBuz ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 2: therese82 ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Rools ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Franchise679 ($7.50 in chips)
Franchise679: posts small blind $0.10
johnnyBuz: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnyBuz [Ts Th]
therese82: raises $1 to $1.25
Rools: folds
Franchise679: folds
johnnyBuz: raises $1.75 to $3
therese82: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [5d 9s 9d]
johnnyBuz: checks
therese82: checks
*** TURN *** [5d 9s 9d] [6d]
johnnyBuz: bets $5
therese82: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [5d 9s 9d 6d] [5c]
johnnyBuz: checks
therese82: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johnnyBuz: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
therese82: mucks hand
johnnyBuz collected $15.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.10 | Rake $0.75
Board [5d 9s 9d 6d 5c]
Seat 1: johnnyBuz (big blind) showed [Ts Th] and won ($15.35) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 2: therese82 mucked [Kh Ad]
Seat 3: Rools (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Seat 5: Franchise679 (small blind) folded before Flop

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I don't see why you would check the flop at all, that is an excellent flop. As played I definitely bet the river, any ace likely calls hoping to chop. FYI if he put you on AQ then he would still chop since only the ace kicker plays with two pair on board.

the more i look at this hand the more i realize i missed out on two streets worth of betting. should have made it $4 or so on the flop. about $10 on the turn, and either a check or all-in on the river.