The good, the bad and the ugly?

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05-29-2006, 01:02 PM
Seasider

The good, the bad and the ugly?

So are there any major errors here, just had an ugly run in with 1 player at a table, all hands are same villan..

Hand 1, he just sat down so no reads, fair enough play people like or no? Speculative call to punish the min raiser!!....
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($52.90)
Button ($78.15)
SB ($53)
BB ($62.30)
UTG ($44.90)
MP ($45.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.75) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $2.5, UTG calls $1.50.

Turn: ($7.75) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, UTG raises to $10, Hero raises to $22.5, UTG raises to $41.4, Hero calls $18.90.

River: ($90.55) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $90.55

Results in white below:
UTG has 9d Ad (flush, ace high).
Hero has Td 5d (flush, king high).
Outcome: UTG wins $90.55.

Hand 2, OK now we have 65 hands on him. For what it's worth he's running at 56%VP$IP with 15% PFR, he has been folding to C-bets, when he called my re raise on turn I wanted a cheap show down, which he wasn't going to give me. Is this weak, looking at it now i'm sure he had a set/straight....
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($44.75)
CO ($76.15)
Button ($59.05)
SB ($72.85)
BB ($75.45)
UTG ($44.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.25) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, Button folds, BB calls $5, UTG folds.

Turn: ($18.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $14.5, BB calls $9.50.

River: ($47.25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $24.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $71.75

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $71.75.

Hand 3, now we have 86 hands and he's 58/17. I hated the river card but made a crying call anyway, leak? BTW I know my flop play is off but I was probably tilting a bit. I think I should of bet more on turn but I was hoping for a re-raise 3 bet. I left after this hand mulling on the irony of the A high flush at the start and end of the spell :cry: (Incidently this hand made me feel better about folding my ladies on hand 2)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($53.25)
UTG ($15.70)
Button ($141.20)
SB ($58.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
1 fold, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, Button raises to $2, SB folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button calls $2.50.

River: ($10.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5.5, Button raises to $19.5, Hero calls $14.

Final Pot: $49.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 3c Ac (flush, ace high).
Button has 4h 4s (full house, fours full of eights).
Outcome: Button wins $49.50.

So are these hands the good the bad and the ugly?
05-29-2006, 02:36 PM
Miffed22001

im looking at hand 2 and thinking how many times i remember pushing here on the turn rather than just raising. He either has you smoked or not i feel, so im not sure.

Maybe a c/r on the turn in hand3 but i like to lead too and i may have led harder im not sure.

i make those calls in hand 1. Ul
05-29-2006, 02:49 PM
ihategnomes

Hand 1 I fold prefop.
05-29-2006, 03:08 PM
Seasider

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Hand 1 I fold prefop.

Appreciated, but I called as was only a min raise and I thought worth a look with sooted cards. On the flop we are only scared by the A or J of diamonds and if people are raising these it would normally be A10 or J10; but we are looking at the 10...

So he has at best min raised sooted connectors which we beat right?

WRONG :roll: lol

Hand 2 to be honest even his call on the flop set alarm bells off a bit so I wanted to decide on the turn if I really liked my hand and decided I did not. If i'd pushed he was only calling with a better hand imo. I cant see him stacking of on a 9 10 10 or JJ.
05-29-2006, 05:59 PM
Iwind

Hand 1: I'd fold to his push if I knew I was up against a solid player, but with no read at all I'd probably call.

Hand 2: Looks fine, can't see any reason to push.

Hand 3: I'd either bet/fold the river or check/call it, not bet and call a push unless I was betting small to induce a bluff. If that was your intention you have to call, but I don't think this is a good spot for this as it seems very likely he does have the FH.
05-29-2006, 06:40 PM
ihategnomes

Hand 3 why bet so little on the turn?
05-29-2006, 06:43 PM
aislephive

Hand 1: Definitely muck this preflop, as played there is no way I'm getting away from a flopped flush in a HU pot vs some 50nl donk.

Hand 2: Pump it up more on the turn or possibly even push here. As played it's a good river fold most likely.

Hand 3: Against an average player at 50nl I'm paying him off on the river. Especially if his vpip is over 50, just gotta hope for the best.
05-30-2006, 08:09 PM
Seasider

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Hand 3 why bet so little on the turn?

Well as I said I was hoping for a raise but I think that is too subtle for 50NL, i'll just bet my hand in future. Lesson learnt!

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Hand 3: I'd either bet/fold the river or check/call it, not bet and call a push unless I was betting small to induce a bluff. If that was your intention you have to call, but I don't think this is a good spot for this as it seems very likely he does have the FH.

I think I like this line, he's probably not pushing without my bet

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Hand 2: Looks fine, can't see any reason to push.

I can see arguments for the push. I am probably a little cautious as my last 2 AA pushes have lead to stackings of the bad kind! :? Also when I was working through the 25's I sort of had an unwritten rule that without a read when a player showed All In type strength, or indeed any strength at all, they *probably* wern't bluffing at that level. Sure I was probably bluffed off some pots but I think it was still a +EV rule. I have decided the 50's play much the same....

When I'm running a bit better I'll push!

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Hand 1: I'd fold to his push if I knew I was up against a solid player, but with no read at all I'd probably call.

Undoubtably! I can list 10 regulars I'm folding to without thinking, unfortunatly this was literally about the 10'th hand played with this guy. It's a tricky spot I saw it happen to someone else tonight and felt his pain!

Anyway thanks for all the feedback, much appreciated! :D
05-31-2006, 05:09 AM
ihategnomes

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I can see arguments for the push.

Why? I think your only called by a better hand more often than not.
05-31-2006, 08:37 AM
Seasider

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

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I can see arguments for the push.

Why? I think your only called by a better hand more often than not.

No I agree but against a laggy opp this is a good board for him to pressure an unimproved AK etc. on. I c-bet quite a bit and some players definatly pick up on this and will play back at me with TPGK. Against this opp I think he woulda called and won, but against some opps its a push.
05-31-2006, 08:46 AM
Rondavu

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Originally Posted by Seasider

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Hand 1 I fold prefop.

Appreciated, but I called as was only a min raise and I thought worth a look with sooted cards

This is just bad thinking. You have next to zero implied odds against losing hands. We call raises with weird cards that give us implied odds. T5s is junk. Flush boards dry up the good action. Muck it. I like 65 offsuit much better.

Poker isn't about making hands, it's about making hands that get payed off.