Can't Get Value Out of Crap Like This!

I honestly don't know what I was doing here. Flop the ideal flop and then I'm lost. I was hoping the mini-raise would look like a weak-ass bluff and would encourage him to play harder. But I guess this is the wrong way to go on a paired board. But a call gives off the same vibe. Then as a last ditch effort I hoped the all-in would seem suspicious and villian would call had he AQ or high PP.

I lose value from made hands like this. How would you guys have played this to get more out of him.

No reads on villian.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($114.25)
UTG+1 ($49.60)
Galapogos ($47.25)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($43.85)
MP3 ($46.55)
CO ($54.65)
Button ($48.20)
SB ($36.10)
BB ($46)

Preflop:Galapogos is with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif,6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif .
calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Galapogos calls $0.50, 3 folds, CO raises to $2, 3 folds, calls $1.50, UTG+1 folds, Galapogos calls $1.50.

Flop: ($7.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
checks, Galapogos checks, CO bets $3, folds, Galapogos raises to $6, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($19.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Galapogos checks, CO checks.

River: ($19.25) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Galapogos bets $39.25 (All-In), CO folds.

Final Pot: $58.50

I definitely don't like a river push. Any aware villian would fold AQ here. Why not value bet?

I might have lead the flop for $3-$4 instead of check/min-raising. With an overpair he almost certainly would have raised. I think he would feel more confident trying to take it away with you leading rather than check/min-raise.

A check/raise flop, then checked turn looks weird. I would be suspicious if I was villian. I like leading the turn here, maybe he has AQc/AKc/High PP and would call down.

This hand would be a lot easier to play in position (obviously lol).

I dont mind slowplaying this hand because, well, its the nuts and is very strong. The flop has a flush draw and you beat the flush so if your opponent has that draw and it hits, you should get paid off very well. I would check fully expecting the PFRer to lead here, but Id probably call instead of minraising. If you have seen him raise when bet into as PFRer then I would do that and flat call his raise, otherwise Id let him do the betting, maybe make him think we are on the draw if he isnt. So Id rather lead if I thought he would raise, or check/call otherwise. If I lead I would lead the turn, if I check/called Id probably check the turn. As played I would lead the turn. On that river very rarely are you getting paid off by AQ by pushing. Just make a value bet of like $12 and hope he raises or atleas cals, but a push s just giving up value on this hand andyueally really arent getting paid off by pushing.

try playing your big hands agressively and in a way that isn't extremely, extremely transparent.

edit: and if he's drawing, you want him to pay to draw dead...

Lead the flop. This line is so obvious.

Your check-raise doesn't "look like a bluff," neither does your river push. If I were playing against you I would assume you were a fish trying to be "tricky" and put you on something like what you had.

You have to realize that in poker, your opponents expect you to try to decieve them, and have in their minds a certain way in which you'll go about it. It's your job to do the opposite, which in this case, is leading out on the flop (which has a number of benefits aside from concealing your hand).

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

Your check-raise doesn't "look like a bluff," neither does your river push. If I were playing against you I would assume you were a fish trying to be "tricky" and put you on something like what you had.

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Lol that's exactly what I thought of myself while I was playing this hand. The push at the end was just desperation knowing I fucked it up already.

You guys are right, leading the flop is the way to go. I don't know why I change it around on a hand like this. Had I flopped trips I would have played aggressive. So it's definately stupid to change my ways with a made hand.

It looks like I couldn't figure out if I was slowplaying or playing this guy hard. Definately something I have to fix...

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

Lead the flop. This line is so obvious.

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I dont think we can say lead the flop in this situation without a read on your opponent. Im not leading into an unknown PFRer on this board where it is very likely he didnt hit, if we check its more likely that we get a bet out of a hand that would have folded had we bet. If we know that he will raise if we lead here, then go for it, but barring that read Id rather check and let him continue his action.

I agree leading or checking depends on the PFRer. If he is a LAG who might be raising with 9To or something and you know he'll c-bet but fold if you lead, check raising is better.

The thing is, if you check raise, keep it consistent like an overpair "see where I'm at" check raise, such as 3 times his flop bet. Sometimes LAGs think you in fact are probing and will come over the top with a draw thinking you'll fold your "weak overpair." The check/minraise line screams "I hit big, please call!"