Two flush hands

hand 1:
Opp seemed loose and a bit passive. When he minreraised my reraise I couldnt put him on anything else but a flush. But I couldnt fold this getting great odds on my call, so I decided to call and reevaluate the turn (wich I ended up pushing). How would you play this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($71.35)
SB ($132.05)
BB ($96.25)
UTG ($42.50)
Hero ($153.20)
CO ($24.86)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
BB bets $4, UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $26, UTG calls $22, Hero calls $11.

Turn: ($81.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets $25, UTG calls $15.50 (All-In), Hero calls $126.20 (All-In), BB calls $44.25 (All-In).

River: ($292.45) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $292.45


Hand 2:
Opp seemed pretty standard tag. Easy river fold?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($144.25)
BB ($141)
UTG ($119.86)
MP ($58.82)
Hero ($147.20)
Button ($80.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $2, Hero raises to $7, BB calls $7, MP calls $5.

Turn: ($24.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20, MP folds.

River: ($64.50) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB calls $113 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $177.50

First hand, I don't understand why you say you have "good odds to call".. your hand is already made, you aren't drawing to anything. Basically, while the minraise is small, if you call you accept to play for stacks. Dunno what to do here though.. if he has the flush, it's about 50/50 he'll have a higher one than you. Add to that the 2p or set guys and I probably play for stacks here aswell.

Second hand is a good fold imo.

i usually try to get it allin in on flop in hand 1

also, consider raising preflop in both of them

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Originally Posted by gabe

also, consider raising preflop in both of them

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Is raising drawing hands like these a good idea OOP after a limper? I can see it as a mix-up play but doing this all the time can't be +EV.

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Originally Posted by r8ed

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Originally Posted by gabe

also, consider raising preflop in both of them

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Is raising drawing hands like these a good idea OOP after a limper? I can see it as a mix-up play but doing this all the time can't be +EV.

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You have position on the limper, so put some pressure on.

Depending on how passive opp is in hand one I might be able to fold the turn.

Hand two is probably a good fold.

Hand 1: Fold preflop. Seriously. You're position sucks, the UTG limper has 40bb, the guy to your left has 25bb, and the button has 70bb. T9s plays like dogshit in this spot. As much as I hate limping, if you must play, a limp is probably better then a raise in this spot to be honest.

Meh. If the BB was solid I'd consider dropping to the 3-bet, but otherwise, I'd try to get it all-in on the flop.


Hand 2: Again, fold preflop. The limper has under 60bb and your hand is just a suited 1 gapped piece of shit in this spot. Button doesn't even have a full stack either.

On the river, you only beat a bluff here the vast majority of the time. Given the way it was played, I think you made a good fold.

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Originally Posted by johnny_fish

You have position on the limper, so put some pressure on.

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bingo

position is all relative