PP 10/20 - floating 33 TS

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06-08-2006, 03:38 PM
w32e1

PP 10/20 - floating 33 TS

Villain here is unknown and 24/6 over 450 hands. I had been running pretty hot here, calling him down 2 hands ago with 88 on a JTx board. I'm clueless here.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $3409.50
CO: $2990
Button: $4050.09
SB: $3543.96
BB: $1558.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 3:heart: 3:spade:
Hero raises to $70 - CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8:heart: 8:club: 9:club: ($170, 2 players)
Hero bets $125 - Button calls.

Turn: 3:club: ($420, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $199 - Hero raises to $550 - Button raises to $999 - Hero???
06-08-2006, 04:13 PM
Ravageur

Hmmmm...

I think you push here. The number of times he does this with the flush or 8x outweigh greatly the times he has a set of 9s or 89. Especially considering the info that you've been making some great calldowns on him and he may be a bit perturbed by you (He could just be making a play with a slowplayed big pair? Is that possible?). If he has the nuts, you just have to pay it off IMO. I doubt however that'd he make this play with 8x with the flush on board (though I could see him doing this with 8Ac). You could call and push the river. Either way I don't think you can get away from this. These stakes are way above mine, but I don't think at any limits you can lay this down? Am I way off base here?

I take it you pushed and he had top set.
Cool hand though.
06-08-2006, 04:15 PM
w32e1

I'll post results after a few responses, but villain seemed solid so IMO he'd be either c/r or b/r on the flop here with 8x - checkcalling for me ment 99-TT or AJs-ATs ...
06-08-2006, 04:38 PM
Bmxicle

McSHOVEIT ALLIN
06-08-2006, 04:52 PM
gabe

McShove eh?

i like calling and leading river. i'll let others elaborate.
06-08-2006, 04:53 PM
gabe

he must have 99, why would he raise to 999 if that number wasnt in the back of his head somewhere??
06-09-2006, 01:12 PM
Genitruc

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Originally Posted by gabe

he must have 99, why would he raise to 999 if that number wasnt in the back of his head somewhere??

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH obv
06-09-2006, 02:42 PM
w32e1

Love all the USEFULL replies ~~~
06-09-2006, 02:59 PM
johnny_fish

Call flop, 1/2 pot turn, minreraise..Screams monster I guess. Could be the flush testing for boat? That's why you like call, lead river Gabe? Fold to push? Tough hand.

edit: there's no room for a river block bet..
06-09-2006, 03:01 PM
zenbitz

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Originally Posted by w32e1

Love all the USEFULL replies ~~~

Dont mock the $999 bet = 999 ... people do shit like this. I probably wouldn't have caught it, but it's almost enough to make me flat call instead of push.

Can't really worry about boat over boat here...
06-09-2006, 03:14 PM
johnny_fish

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

Can't really worry about boat over boat here...

No? It's clear he either has the flush or a boat. Any boat pwns 33, so.. I agree t's probably best to optimize vs. flush though; so call, push river.

Anyone likes call, fold to river push?
06-09-2006, 03:49 PM
w32e1

Results: I pushed and faced 99 :x
06-09-2006, 04:42 PM
a500lbgorilla

zomg the power of the 999 bet
06-09-2006, 04:58 PM
gabe

TOLD YOU
06-09-2006, 05:39 PM
spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money unless the opps have been playing really tight (and they generally dont at 10/20 NL 6-max on Party)
06-09-2006, 05:41 PM
gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money.

no it isnt, its actually completely standard
06-09-2006, 05:42 PM
spino1i

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money.

no it isnt, its actually completely standard

I think its a weak play as you lend yourself to coinflipping with whatever lies in the cut-off and button, but they have position on you = advantage to them. It only works if they think you are extremely tight with your raises. I mean, ive reraised w/ 33 before, but only with a tight table image.
06-09-2006, 05:48 PM
gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money.

no it isnt, its actually completely standard

I think its a weak play as you lend yourself to coinflipping with whatever lies in the cut-off and button, but they have position on you = advantage to them. It only works if they think you are extremely tight with your raises. I mean, ive reraised w/ 33 before, but only with a tight table image.

raising preflop is not a weak play. limping first in when there are only 5 people at the table is the weak play.
06-09-2006, 05:54 PM
spino1i

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money.

no it isnt, its actually completely standard

I think its a weak play as you lend yourself to coinflipping with whatever lies in the cut-off and button, but they have position on you = advantage to them. It only works if they think you are extremely tight with your raises. I mean, ive reraised w/ 33 before, but only with a tight table image.

raising preflop is not a weak play. limping first in when there are only 5 people at the table is the weak play.

I guess your one of those people that doesnt like open-limping. Personally I find it to be a powerful weapon if used with the right hands in the right circumstances.
06-09-2006, 07:24 PM
Lukie

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money unless the opps have been playing really tight (and they generally dont at 10/20 NL 6-max on Party)

I'm a nit, and I'm opening 33 here every time...
06-09-2006, 07:27 PM
Lukie

Re: PP 10/20 - floating 33 TS

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Originally Posted by w32e1

Villain here is unknown and 24/6 over 450 hands. I had been running pretty hot here, calling him down 2 hands ago with 88 on a JTx board. I'm clueless here.

unknown over 450 hands, eh? :)

I think the hand is played fine to be honest. I'd probably push the turn or call and donk push the river.
06-10-2006, 12:10 AM
w32e1

Re: PP 10/20 - floating 33 TS

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Originally Posted by Lukie

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Originally Posted by w32e1

Villain here is unknown and 24/6 over 450 hands. I had been running pretty hot here, calling him down 2 hands ago with 88 on a JTx board. I'm clueless here.

unknown over 450 hands, eh? :)

I think the hand is played fine to be honest. I'd probably push the turn or call and donk push the river.

by unknown I ment not a KNOWN player... geez your one big post whore lol
06-10-2006, 01:42 AM
Iwind

What's so powerfull with open limping? Raising the 33 has so many advantages, it disguises my hand since I raise all hands I play first in from any position, it can take the blinds, it takes down the pot on the flop more often than not being pre flop aggressor. Open limping and then calling a raise makes you pay the same to see the flop and you'll just end up folding to the raisors continuation bet, it's a much weaker play for sure. And if noone raises you won't manage to stack anyone if you hit your set of 3s most likely anyways, hate playing in unraised pots.
06-17-2006, 02:59 AM
ender555

i personally like leading this turn instead of C/R. what other hands will you C/R this turn with? Unless villian is getting out of line, it seems like none except a full house.
06-17-2006, 11:31 PM
Laeelin

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Originally Posted by gabe

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Originally Posted by spino1i

Pray tell why are you open raising pocket 3s on the hijack? This is generally a recipe to lose money.

no it isnt, its actually completely standard

I open raise $33 here.