Blind war - QQ

Villain is 31 / 7 after 50 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($24.05)
MP ($4.45)
CO ($49.35)
Button ($4.30)
Hero ($28.90)
BB ($48.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $0.9, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $40.90 (All-In), Hero calls $13.90 (All-In).

River: ($77.80) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $77.80

OK no replies?

Does that mean this was ok, or just too horrible to bear looking at?

I dont like your check raise on the turn too much after his min raise on the flop. After he pushes you should have folded (unless you have a history or some other reads).

I think it would have been better to lead the turn strong and fold to a raise. If he calls you cc or cf the river. The reasoning being that those minraises on the flop are normally the nuts or (less often) a marginal hand testing the waters.

Yea ok that makes sense. Thanks for the reply.

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

Re-raise potsize on the flop.

Yeah, 3bet that flop. If he pushes then you might find a fold, or you might not.

As played until turn c/r, I think I smooth call his small turn bet and look to get either a Q or a cheap showdown.

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i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

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this was more my line of thinking rather than a set or two pair.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

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I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

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Originally Posted by arkana

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

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I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

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how often does JJ stack off here?

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Originally Posted by arkana

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

i might have put it all in on the flop and have been damned if QQ was no good.

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So you pay off everytime someone hits a set,two pair or straight vs you? Sounds like a big leak to me.

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In a blind battle the chances of them having those hands are much slimmer than the chances of them having a hand you beat. People get way too aggressive in these and take too many hands to the felt. Id like atleast a decent read before doing this, but in this situation I dont think its a huge leak, or even a leak at all.

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I dont agree, sure in a blind battle the average hand is slightly weaker but from my experience people dont go to the felt with TPTK-TPGK, Middle pair nearly as often in blind battles as a lot of people think, they tend to play smallball. Overpairs on the other hand they overplay and stack off all the time, because hey its a blind battle the other guy must have crap.

Just because the chances of your opponent having a strong hand is slimmer doesn't mean it stays slimmer when his bets say otherwise. I mean come on, Hero bet the flop, got minraised and then check raised the turn big and that still doesnt phase this guy at all.

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how often does JJ stack off here?

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for that matter add TT too.

The opponent's line doesnt look like TT-JJ to me in this hand.

I 3bet this flop and probably fold to a push. Too often in these situations, the BB is thinking you're FOS and trying to steal his precious. The 3bet makes it clear you actually have a good hand and if he shoves over you, you know he does too--probably one that beats you.
I think calling the flop minbet and check-raising the turn is about the worst line possible as this is a WA/WB scenario. CRing the turn either scares off hands we beat like smaller PPs/A8 or inflates the pot against monsters like sets and straights.

To be clear, I like 3betting the flop for hand definition purposes, but I also think just calling the minbet and going into check/call mode thereafter is not a bad line to take here, either.

The problem with 3-betting in these situations is that a set could easily min raise for a 4-bet. Now, it's only another $10 to call in an already $50 pot and you have a strong overpair.

I prefer to let the raiser take over the betting after min raises. I know this sounds weak but it's better than getting it all in on the flop against a set. You could also initiate the betting OOP on the turn - if you get raised you can make an easy fold. If called - you're probably leading. If in position on the turn, you can raise his turn bet and voila - same situation as OOP on turn.

I know it's all a little confusing, but that's because it is. Every decision depends on reads and whatnot. If this guy is raising 31% of pots, you can safely assume your hand is good.

I think if we make a healthy 3bet and are minraised again, we can fold and feel good about it.