5/10, 250bb deep, flush vs smackinyaup

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06-26-2006, 05:42 PM
gabe

5/10, 250bb deep, flush vs smackinyaup

sorry dont have HH

stacks are about 2500 each, he has seen me overbet-allin a few times but the only time it got shown down was when i had a set vs a fish. he has been kinda tight and has not gotten out of line on any of the tables i share with him.

he raises to 40 utg, i make it 120 with 7d6d in the next position. folded back to him, he calls.

Jd8d2d, yahtzee! he bets about 220.

whats my plan? obv my hand is disguised. his range is probably set or QQ-AA, but i'm not sure whats the best way to get the money in considering the stack depth and board texture.
06-26-2006, 07:42 PM
AHiltz

A call would reek here. He's seen you bet before, so bet again. Make it 700 to go.
06-26-2006, 07:56 PM
gabe

a call would also really disguise my hand
06-26-2006, 08:09 PM
AHiltz

Would it? (not being sarcastic here)

What are your thoughts for the turn if you call here? Make it look like a float?
06-26-2006, 08:21 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHiltz

Make it look like a float?

yea something like that.

but im not saying the best play is to call, im still undecided on that
06-26-2006, 09:48 PM
Jay67s

What if he has a big pair QQ+ that you put him on, but with a Big Spade. I think you should raise here, why slow play and allow him to catch up.

If he has a set, again same thought.
06-26-2006, 10:12 PM
johnny_fish

What is he trying to accomplish with betting into you? Planning on folding to a raise or is a 3-bet ai likely?
06-26-2006, 10:13 PM
gabe

min raise? raise to 600? 800? push?
06-26-2006, 10:14 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

What is he trying to accomplish with betting into you? Planning on folding to a raise or is a 3-bet ai likely?

i dont know...
06-27-2006, 10:01 AM
Warpe

How would you play a draw here?
06-27-2006, 12:55 PM
gabe

if i had AdKx i would prob push, if i had AA i would prob push, if i had KK-QQ i would prob call
06-27-2006, 01:52 PM
Warpe

FWIW (your stakes are beyond me), I'd assume he wants to play this fast with an overpair/set, with or without a heart in his hand. For that reason, I like either: - *gasp* - minraising here to try to induce a 3-bet ~or~ calling, although I think with a call you risk sending up a red flag as it stinks of slowplay, but it could also be interpreted as a draw. That's why I ask how you'd play a draw here, because that's what I'd want my line to look like - a draw - and I'm assuming smackinyaup knows your lines pretty well, better than I do. Either way, if he's just got an overpair without a heart I think a bigger raise/push risks folding him.
06-27-2006, 02:25 PM
johnny_fish

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

min raise? raise to 600? 800? push?

Raising to 700 seems standard.
06-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Lukie

Make it 800, call a push. Otherwise get the rest in on a non diamond, non board-pairing turn.
06-28-2006, 11:32 AM
SmackinYaUp

Hi. When all is done, I'd like to post my hand and get some feedback as well. I think I played it pretty weird/bad. All I can say is gabe is the worst person to play against so far. I hate when I get excited to log into 5/10 and then find that he's at 19 of the tables. Samo doesn't even give me as much trouble.
06-28-2006, 12:27 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Hi. When all is done, I'd like to post my hand and get some feedback as well. I think I played it pretty weird/bad. All I can say is gabe is the worst person to play against so far. I hate when I get excited to log into 5/10 and then find that he's at 19 of the tables. Samo doesn't even give me as much trouble.

thanks

im interested on how you handle sam. we should make a thread where we post lots of big hands vs him and decide optimal lines and such.
06-28-2006, 05:04 PM
aislephive

I think a raise to 700 is good, it kind of looks like a biggish raise and that you want him to go away, and you could easily do this with nothing because he lead into you. Calling sucks because there are so many shitty turn cards, but then again maybe you want to see the turn card before you stick it in. If you know he is going to bet the turn then a call is ok I think. I'd like to hear the results though.
06-30-2006, 02:24 PM
gabe

found the hand....

ultimately i figured the lead meant a set or overpair. i know hes not folding a set and i didnt think he would fold any overpair with a diamond in it, but he told me he had QQ, which is reasonable given the preflop action and stack sizes.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($2308.25)
Button ($1040)
SB ($1120.75)
BB ($988.27)
UTG ($2707)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $40, Hero raises to $120, 3 folds, UTG calls $80.

Flop: ($255) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $215, Hero calls $2188.25 (All-In), UTG folds.

Final Pot: $2658.25

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $2658.25.
06-30-2006, 02:29 PM
SmackinYaUp

Ok, yea I had QQ with a diamond and lead with the intention of 3-betting allin. I thought this would either capture me a good pot, suckout vs small flushes and overpairs or go broke to overpairs with diamonds. When he pushed, I had no option but to fold. How would you play the hand in my position? I think that 3betting with 250bbs is a pretty shitty plan but it was what I was thinking at the moment.
06-30-2006, 02:36 PM
gabe

i think if i were you, i would have put in another raise preflop, like 450ish. if i push you can fold, if i call you can play really really caution since im not really calling preflop rereraise with anything weak.

i think my push was definitely a mistake. when you said something at the table like 'i remember you pushing vs that other guy with a set,' i realized that my line could have been better.

sometimes i just start pushing at everyone so people will stop betting into me and playing back at me.:(
06-30-2006, 02:43 PM
johnny_fish

A reraise here is better than a push obviously (there are more hands that will push over a raise than call a push), but raising with made hands & pushing with draws is exploitable..

Gabe, in general, how do you get ppl to call when you have the goods and fold when you don't? Or is it just about choosing the optimal bluff/value frequency?
06-30-2006, 03:07 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

A reraise here is better than a push obviously

i wouldnt say its so obvious.....what if i raise to 750 and he just calls? theres more to it than bet/3betting ranges and bet/calling-an-allin ranges.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Gabe, in general, how do you get ppl to call when you have the goods and fold when you don't? Or is it just about choosing the optimal bluff/value frequency?

its all about hand reading. you should ID the type of player youre facing, recognize what that line they are using represents, and then decide if they will call or fold with whatever range you assign them
06-30-2006, 05:22 PM
PO$$E$$ED

raise to $700 or more, depends on how loose he is and what his perception of you is
also the raise preflop is questionable- how many people were playing at what were your exact positions?
06-30-2006, 06:31 PM
gabe

i posted the exact hand history in the thread.....
06-30-2006, 07:37 PM
PO$$E$$ED

ah
now I see it