The Headbutt - 56k no more sorry <3 midas

I'm sure many of us have been wondering what Materazzi said to Zidane that lead to Zidane's outburst. Here it is.

"First defender Marco Materazzi spoke in Italian - a language understood by Zidane who once played for Italian side Juventus - grabbed his opponent and told him 'hold on, wait, that one's not for a nigger like you.'
It is not clear whether the Italian was referring to the ball heading their way or his own groping of Zidane. The expert, who can lip read foreign languages phonetically and translate with the aid of an Italian interpreter, was unable to see what Zidane said in reply. But she saw that as the players walked forward Materazzi said: 'We all know you are the son of a terrorist whore.' Then, just before the headbutt, he was seen saying, 'So just fuck off.'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

"Materazzi himself has not spoken publicly about the incident except to deny a claim by Paris-based anti-racism group SOS Racism, made on Monday, that he had called Zidane 'a dirty terrorist'.

'It is absolutely not true, I did not call him a terrorist. I'm ignorant. I don't even know what the word means,' the Italian news agency Ansa quoted Materazzi as saying after the Italian team returned to Rome."

I never realized that Zidane was black

How about we talk about the last 18 years of world-class football Zidane has played, earning him the right to be one of the greatest football players to have ever lived, rather than the last 10 seconds of madness?

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How about we talk about the last 18 years of world-class football Zidane has played, earning him the right to be one of the greatest football players to have ever lived, rather than the last 10 seconds of awesomeness?

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FYP. That headbutt was out of a freakin' action movie.

And btw, if that's what Materazzi really said I don't blame Zidane, either.

zidane will go down as an awesome player in the history of soccer
even maradona had the hand of god, Zidane will leave with the Head of God.

Nonetheless, how much of a soccer player do you have to be in order to headbutt someone instead of punch/push them????

Zidane is black?

for those who don't watch soccer, here's the video

I thought this was head-to-head. I have to say I'm disappointed

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I thought this was head-to-head. I have to say I'm disappointed

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What did you want, someone's head to explode? Gimme a break--he lifted a guy with about 5 inches and 40 lbs on him off the ground with a headbutt to the sternum.
Maybe I'm just too easily impressed, I thought it was pretty sweet.

I still can't believe that nobody on the italian team stepped up when Zidane knocked one of their teammates to the ground.

The equivalent of that in real football would be a defensive lineman hitting the opposing QB and knocking him to the ground after a play finished...like way after. You can bet that QB's linemen are all going to be up in that defensive lineman's face and there is going to be a fight.

But in soccer? No...the blue guys just watch as their teammate is on the ground.

Re-freaking diculous.

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I thought this was head-to-head. I have to say I'm disappointed

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What did you want, someone's head to explode? Gimme a break--he lifted a guy with about 5 inches and 40 lbs on him off the ground with a headbutt to the sternum.
Maybe I'm just too easily impressed, I thought it was pretty sweet.

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It's neat that he knocked someone over with his head. But all day it's "Zinny's reputation is ruined. He legacy is destroyed. He used to be the greatest and now he's a thug."

ESPN compared it to a baseball player walking out to 2B and hitting the guy in the knee with the bat. Totally not the same. I was under the impression he walked to the other teams bench and cracked him in the face.

If the Piston's B-ball fight was a 10, I'd give this a 7, maybe.

Oh, okay. I haven't been watching ESPN or listening to sports radio. I'm sure they're making it sound like the worst thing ever. Predictable.

Anyway, what a bunch of shit. He lost his temper after being tittie-twisted and being called a nigger and terrorist--yeah, he maybe should've kept his cool, but c'mon. Personally, I thought it was kind of a weirdly badass way to go out.

As far as the destroyed legacy thing goes, he's gonna go down as one of the all-time greats, period, I don't care how many mouthy stronzos he headbutts.

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Originally Posted by samsonite2100

And btw, if that's what Materazzi really said I don't blame Zidane, either.

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I'm half-French. I was in Paris during the '98 WC and and followed this one religiously. Zidane was hands down my favorite player during both Cups, and I ordered his official away jersey during the France-Spain game a few weeks ago. I say this so my perspective is clear - I don't care what Materazzi said, the blame rests all on Zidane. He could have, should have, shrugged it off and continued to play in the game that was the culmination of his brilliant career, a game that was so obviously important to his teammates and all of France as well. I'm not exaggerating when I say that thousands of French kids are crushed right now in the aftermath of his outburst. It takes more balls to walk away from an asshole than to be one.

I can see Zidane's position and where he was coming from, but that just doesn't clear him. Had he provoked and then attacked a teammate, well then I would be sending my jersey back and exchanging it for another one. But considering the circumstances of what happened and his brilliant career as a footballer, I'll still wear it proudly. Unfortunately I'll just have to deal with people who ask me about the incident when I have it on.

btw Zidane is Algerian by blood.

his reputation showed through when he was named MVP. or whatever the hell they call it.

and like i said in another post, headbutting is way underrated. it should be used more often.

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Originally Posted by ensign_lee

I still can't believe that nobody on the italian team stepped up when Zidane knocked one of their teammates to the ground.

The equivalent of that in real football would be a defensive lineman hitting the opposing QB and knocking him to the ground after a play finished...like way after. You can bet that QB's linemen are all going to be up in that defensive lineman's face and there is going to be a fight.

But in soccer? No...the blue guys just watch as their teammate is on the ground.

Re-freaking diculous.

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no, this isnt the same at all

the football equivalent wouldve been if one lineman started shoving another lineman becuase they were smack talking
or the hockey equivalent of a fight

you can bet that if it was the goalie who was headbutted, there would be hell to pay. but it wasnt.

zidane vs. wandy

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Originally Posted by Bode-ist

his reputation showed through when he was named MVP. or whatever the hell they call it.

and like i said in another post, headbutting is way underrated. it should be used more often.

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I think that most of the votes for player of the tournament were cast by journalists before the final, so I'm guessing the voting may have gone slightly differently after this little incident.

What I don't get is what was going through his head to even think to nut someone in the chest, the thought wouldn't even cross my mind. Lash out with a punch or go for the face but the chest wtf? He may as well have tried to cause some damage at least.

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Originally Posted by dwarfman

How about we talk about the last 18 years of world-class football Zidane has played, earning him the right to be one of the greatest football players to have ever lived, rather than the last 10 seconds of madness?

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Before we can remember Zidane as the football genius that he cleary is/was, I think it's worthwhile discussing his red-mist moment.

I couldn't quite believe what he did but judging by the reports of what was allegedly said by Materazzi I can't really blame him.

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Originally Posted by BBC Sport

Zidane grew up in a tower block in a poor estate in Marseille, known mainly for its high unemployment and suicide rate.

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The fact that he grew up in this sort of environment also begins to explain maybe why he did what he did. Maybe he should've done it in a slightly different way though.

I played football during my teens with a talented but esentially a nutter (Wayne) from a rough estate in Birmingham. One match we played, Wayne was being kicked all over the park but didn't react in the slightest (which was very odd for him), until after the final whistle where he walked over the worst offender, calmly took off his boot and kicked the kid in the throat. He was still sent off by the ref. but at least the game was over.
Maybe ZZ should have done this instead! :)

Zidane is an idiot. Materazzi owned him. France lost the final and his actions contributed to his team losing more so than any other player on his team.

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Originally Posted by ensign_lee

I still can't believe that nobody on the italian team stepped up when Zidane knocked one of their teammates to the ground.

The equivalent of that in real football would be a defensive lineman hitting the opposing QB and knocking him to the ground after a play finished...like way after. You can bet that QB's linemen are all going to be up in that defensive lineman's face and there is going to be a fight.

But in soccer? No...the blue guys just watch as their teammate is on the ground.

Re-freaking diculous.

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no, this isnt the same at all

the football equivalent wouldve been if one lineman started shoving another lineman becuase they were smack talking
or the hockey equivalent of a fight

you can bet that if it was the goalie who was headbutted, there would be hell to pay. but it wasnt.

zidane vs. wandy

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zidane = team captain, yes?

team captain = QB, yes?

AND, even if the above football comparison happened, you'd still have the other linemen coming to help. If nothing else, they'd be holding back ONE OF THEIR OWN who wanted the othe rlineman's head.

But no...they all stood there and watched. WTF?

Italian footballers are assholes. Always laying on the ground begging the referee to give them free kicks/penalties. Materazzi was trying to annoy retirying Z on purpose (yet Zidane shouldnt have lost his temper). "I dont even know what the word terrorist means", such fcuking bullshit. I was watching the game in Stuttgart (in germany) and I have to tell you that the frenchies were totally shocked about Z's actions..

F*** u materazzi!

All soccer players fake injuries though right? Worst part of the sport

My friend and I were surprised none of the Italian players came to their fellow players aide. If that was baseball the benches would be cleared and Don Zimmerman would be getting bitch slapped by Pedro. So much for the Italian brotherhood.

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Originally Posted by WhiteFingers

Zidane is one of the best players to ever played the game. Materazzi is a racist, ignorant moron. France lost the final and his actions contributed to his team losing more so than any other player on his team (except for maybe Henry's sub who missed the PK). I am truly incapable of rationale thought behind this Italian bias.

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FYP

While I think Zidane obviously overreacted, saying Materazzi owned him is just plain stupid.

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All soccer players fake injuries though right? Worst part of the sport

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Yes. yes they all do.

Any one who calls it soccer isnt qualified to comment on it ;)

I read that Materazzi called him a "son of a terrorist whore"

if someone calls me the son of a terrorist whore, you better believe the bombs strapped to my chest are going to be taking asshole DOWN.

I think the Italian got off easily. I'd have kicked him in the fucking head if it were me.

And as for the American announcer's, they can go to hell. They make it sound like he shot the fucking guy. Look at career ending knee to knees and elbows that get overlooked in the NHL.

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Originally Posted by AHiltz

I think the Italian got off easily. I'd have kicked him in the fucking head if it were me.

And as for the American announcer's, they can go to hell. They make it sound like he shot the fucking guy. Look at career ending knee to knees and elbows that get overlooked in the NHL.

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QFT

Quick vote, the American WC commentators were horrible and even John Madden probably could have done better with his "Now what France wants to do is score some goals!"

Yay or nay?

Yay. Me and my friends watched the final on Univision, even though none of us speak much Spanish.

The incident isnt particlarly bad when it comes to fighting/kicking/stamping/elbowing in football. Its the fact it was in the world cup final by the greatest player of this generation, in his final game that means its getting so much attention. If this happened in the Premiership/Serie A etc. it probably wouldnt even make the back page. It doesnt matter what was said. Violent conduct, red card, end of story.

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Originally Posted by Toe

The incident isnt particlarly bad when it comes to fighting/kicking/stamping/elbowing in football. Its the fact it was in the world cup final by the greatest player of this generation, in his final game that means its getting so much attention. If this happened in the Premiership/Serie A etc. it probably wouldnt even make the back page. It doesnt matter what was said. Violent conduct, red card, end of story.

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Well he definately deserved the card.

Actually, here's a question. What do you guys think of the video replay? The ref totally missed the play and it looked like the sideline refs did too. However, the commentators did mention how the headbutt was being shown on the video replay screens so everyone in the staidum got to see it four more times, sideline ref "vouches" he saw it, delayed red card given. While the red card is more than deserved, do you guys think the sideline ref really saw it or was this a case of an illegal call by the ref based on FIFA guidelines since video replay can not be utilized by a referee. You have to admit the call was extremely delayed.

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Originally Posted by Toe

The incident isnt particlarly bad when it comes to fighting/kicking/stamping/elbowing in football. Its the fact it was in the world cup final by the greatest player of this generation, in his final game that means its getting so much attention. If this happened in the Premiership/Serie A etc. it probably wouldnt even make the back page. It doesnt matter what was said. Violent conduct, red card, end of story.

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This is soooo wrong.
Football is a game played by professionals but even within the boundaries set for correct conduct their are some things that can be done and said that defer punishment.
Zidane is a public icon, and should behave in a manner that represents this but what materazzi said to him, if it is true is beyond the limits if such behaviour.
In which case Zidane's behaviour is rather expected. If it had been me id have kicked the fucking shit outta the guy for saying that, and it wouldnt have stopped at one punch, it would have continued once the guy was floored.
If the allegations are true i think the whole thing should be made public and materazzi should be thrown out of the game in disgrace permanently.
I say this because FIFA make such a big effort (do they?) to stamp out racism in football and that is exactly what this is, with the added insult that he insulted someones ethnic background.
gg to the greatest footballer of his generation and may FIFA take steps to show they really mean buisness about racism and throw the italian out of football.
I personnaly hate it when someone is made a scapegoat to prove a point, but if FIFA needed an excuse to show they really do want the integrity of the game kept, then they need to take serious action over this.
I thought Portugal disgraced themselves in the semi-final with their antics, well that was game related, whereas this incident is so far beyond that scope and MUST be dealt with if its true.

btw, Ronaldo was the greatest before his knee gave in, even zeezoo couldnt live with him.

I didnt get to see the game, and this was the first time I saw the incident, and it was sweet. I personally think Zidane let him off easy.

I don't really think it's fair to claim that Zidane lost the game for the French. Is he the only player on the French side who can score on a penalty?? Why not blame Henry who played like absolute shit throughout the entire tournament. Blame the entire French side for not rallying behind Zidane, since I am sure that they found out what was said before the end of the game.

BTW, in the '98 world cup I thought that Petit was the best all around player on the French side. He was a dominant force from midfield in every game. He seemed to be everywhere all at once. But that's just my opinion.

Henry didn't play like absolute shit. Wasn't his best, but don't be hating on my boy.

Henry is overrated on the international stage because their are too many defenders who know how to deal with just pace. He doesnt exactly beat 6 players with skills and pace does he? its just all pace.

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Henry is overrated on the international stage because their are too many defenders who know how to deal with just pace. He doesnt exactly beat 6 players with skills and pace does he? its just all pace.

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He doesn't need to beat 6 players. He has great pace and positioning (ala Brazil goal).

since when has it been ok, on or off a football field, to kick the **** out of someone because of what they say. If you cant control your emotions such that you go wild when some one refers to your mother, your a moron.

It's not okay, but it's understandable. Calling someone who grew up Muslim Algerian in the French housing projects a terrorist and a nigger is about the most inflamatory thing you could say.

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since when has it been ok, on or off a football field, to kick the **** out of someone because of what they say. If you cant control your emotions such that you go wild when some one refers to your mother, your a moron.

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before you even get into the code of conduct of whats right or wrong on a football field their are questions of what is right or wrong morally and humanly (real word?) What was probably said to Zidane goes beyond the simple/small scope of a football game.
Zidanes action was condonable but lets be honest, do you just stand there if someone calls you a n***r just becasue you are on a football pitch? Jesus no! thats idiotic to suggest so. Its beyond even racism its pure hatred, the type of stuff that Hitler used against the Jews in speeches to millions of people.
And yes, we can draw the same comparison here. i mean the guy walked right past the World CUp and didnt even look at it, does that look like somone who gave a shit about football after what had been said to him?

before this incident, i don't think headbutting was ever an reaction option for me. elbows, sure. shoving? default, probably. but headbutting? never even came up once.

now, it's at the top of the list. i have been headbutting anything and everything from grandmothers to solid oak doors if they so much as look at me wrong. at that door really deserved it, i tell you what.

headbutt first, ask questions later.

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Originally Posted by alias2211

before this incident, i don't think headbutting was ever an reaction option for me. elbows, sure. shoving? default, probably. but headbutting? never even came up once.

now, it's at the top of the list. i have been headbutting anything and everything from grandmothers to solid oak doors if they so much as look at me wrong. at that door really deserved it, i tell you what.

headbutt first, ask questions later.

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Otherwise known as the Glasgow Kiss (gotta love those Scots), the headbutt has a couple of advantages. I think number one is surprise, since there's no windup of any kind. You're also using one of the heaviest and hardest parts of your body to land a blow. It is really good for breaking the other guy's nose. One properly placed headbutt and the fight is usually over. I have used it to advantage once or twice against in your face drunks in bars. I think it's a more common fight move in soccer playing countries for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by alias2211

before this incident, i don't think headbutting was ever an reaction option for me. elbows, sure. shoving? default, probably. but headbutting? never even came up once.

now, it's at the top of the list. i have been headbutting anything and everything from grandmothers to solid oak doors if they so much as look at me wrong. at that door really deserved it, i tell you what.

headbutt first, ask questions later.

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Otherwise known as the Glasgow Kiss (gotta love those Scots), the headbutt has a couple of advantages. I think number one is surprise, since there's no windup of any kind. You're also using one of the heaviest and hardest parts of your body to land a blow. It is really good for breaking the other guy's nose. One properly placed headbutt and the fight is usually over. I have used it to advantage once or twice against in your face drunks in bars. I think it's a more common fight move in soccer playing countries for obvious reasons.

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you get banned for slapping nowadays. :P

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Originally Posted by Warpe

Otherwise known as the Glasgow Kiss (gotta love those Scots), the headbutt has a couple of advantages. I think number one is surprise, since there's no windup of any kind. You're also using one of the heaviest and hardest parts of your body to land a blow. It is really good for breaking the other guy's nose. One properly placed headbutt and the fight is usually over. I have used it to advantage once or twice against in your face drunks in bars. I think it's a more common fight move in soccer playing countries for obvious reasons.

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solid analysis, warpe. from this point on i will never look at a foreigner in the same way and i will NEVER step into his headbutt range. unless he's from canada, at which point i would never step into his cross check range, obv.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_butt[/url]

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Originally Posted by alias2211

from this point on i will never look at a foreigner in the same way and i will NEVER step into his headbutt range. unless he's from canada, at which point i would never step into his cross check range, obv.

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the hockey stick can be a bit of a giveaway :lol:

I love Wikipedia. Puts the Zidane pic in right away.

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Originally Posted by ensign_lee

I still can't believe that nobody on the italian team stepped up when Zidane knocked one of their teammates to the ground.

The equivalent of that in real football would be a defensive lineman hitting the opposing QB and knocking him to the ground after a play finished...like way after. You can bet that QB's linemen are all going to be up in that defensive lineman's face and there is going to be a fight.

But in soccer? No...the blue guys just watch as their teammate is on the ground.

Re-freaking diculous.

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you have to understand the nature of soccer, if you get a red card you are done for. They arent going to jepordize the world cup championship for thier stupid teammate that they know was in the wrong. Penalties in american sports are typically a lot less harsh.

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Originally Posted by samsonite2100

And btw, if that's what Materazzi really said I don't blame Zidane, either.

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I'm half-French. I was in Paris during the '98 WC and and followed this one religiously. Zidane was hands down my favorite player during both Cups, and I ordered his official away jersey during the France-Spain game a few weeks ago. I say this so my perspective is clear - I don't care what Materazzi said, the blame rests all on Zidane. He could have, should have, shrugged it off and continued to play in the game that was the culmination of his brilliant career, a game that was so obviously important to his teammates and all of France as well. I'm not exaggerating when I say that thousands of French kids are crushed right now in the aftermath of his outburst. It takes more balls to walk away from an asshole than to be one.

I can see Zidane's position and where he was coming from, but that just doesn't clear him. Had he provoked and then attacked a teammate, well then I would be sending my jersey back and exchanging it for another one. But considering the circumstances of what happened and his brilliant career as a footballer, I'll still wear it proudly. Unfortunately I'll just have to deal with people who ask me about the incident when I have it on.

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take a step back from soccer and maybe take into consideration whats important to minorities world wide. This WC has had so much overt racism. Nazi flags in the stands, banners calling black players monkeys, bananas being thrown on the field. Sometimes you need to make a stand, sometimes you cant just shrug it off. I wouldnt fault him for shurging it off, however, but I also dont think he can be faulted for making that piece of shit racist chest-catch his head...

oh and for all you people comparing this to other sports, imagine for a second that racism ran rampant through the NBA. Think if Dirk Nowitzki (big huge german basketball player) called Shaq a nigger and his mother a whore. Is shaq supposed to just brush it off, and win the game? If he beats the shit outta the guy he will take a lot of heat at first, but eventually the racist would be exposed for what he is and probably never play basketball again (hopefully.) The point is that it sent a message, and it showed the world that the italian team is not made of champions, but (atleast in the case of this mazeritti guy) racist cowards.

nh boost

I agree (for once)

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Actually, here's a question. What do you guys think of the video replay? The ref totally missed the play and it looked like the sideline refs did too. However, the commentators did mention how the headbutt was being shown on the video replay screens so everyone in the staidum got to see it four more times, sideline ref "vouches" he saw it, delayed red card given. While the red card is more than deserved, do you guys think the sideline ref really saw it or was this a case of an illegal call by the ref based on FIFA guidelines since video replay can not be utilized by a referee. You have to admit the call was extremely delayed.

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This isn't how it was described by the BBC reporter in his blog nor in their report.

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Originally Posted by BBC Blog

Confusion reigned inside the stadium when Zidane was dismissed because the incident was not replayed on the two big screens.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldcup/...e_world_1.html

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Originally Posted by BBC Sport

This was definitely not video evidence," Fifa spokesman Andreas Herren told BBC Five Live.
"I spoke with the senior person responsible for refereeing in the Fifa administration.
"He clearly told me the fourth official had seen the incident involving Zidane and had advised the referee through the headset.
"The fourth official saw it as it happened on the pitch and directly advised the referee and the referee took action. Full stop.
"It appears the referee was waiting for the situation to clear up a little bit before taking action."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ce/5164616.stm

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

If the allegations are true i think the whole thing should be made public and materazzi should be thrown out of the game in disgrace permanently.

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I agree whole-heartedly. However, can FIFA act on ZZ's evidence (if he reveals it later today) and some lip-reading experts?
I think probably not.

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Originally Posted by Toe

Any one who calls it soccer isnt qualified to comment on it ;)

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Actually, I believe soccer is a very English expression from the term "Association Football" as coined by Oxbridge students during the 19th century.
For example:
"What ho Jenkins! Would you like to partake in a quick came of soccer with Rupert and I?"

Even if I'm wrong, I still won't be using it as an alternative name for Football. :)

http://www.addictinggames.com/zidaneheadbuttgame.html

I scored 24...

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Off the Bend it like Beckham movie them, I'm naming my school's IM soccer team Headbutt it like Zidane.

Apparently it wasn't racism just tired old mom and sister jokes:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...373809&cc=5901

Overreact much?

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/570/zidane9mj9bp.gif

lol Materazzi bleeds shit

Look closer--it's marinara sauce

lollerskate:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07...dbutt_outrage/

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real football

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Thank you for making me not bother reading the rest of your post.

The French are just happy the didn't lose in combat this time.

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lol
potd

erm...that should be "Mortal Kombutt", yes?

All blatantly ripped from somethingawful.

Sorry 56k'ers

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http://img.waffleimages.com/img/1efe...necarlito3.gif



Plus some ytmnd's. There's about 100000 others on the site


http://zazazazazidane.ytmnd.com/
http://zidanedeathstar.ytmnd.com/
http://zikemon.ytmnd.com/
http://zidanegetsowned.ytmnd.com/
http://zano.ytmnd.com/
http://endofzidane.ytmnd.com/

lol wow those are golden.

Wow. Those are horrible.

http://a.photos.cx/zidane_bar-bd0.gif

There is none better than this.

The pokemon and mario ones made me laugh.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6...f9ee3ul4wb.gif