This is ok ain't it?

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07-13-2006, 04:59 AM
Irisheyes

This is ok ain't it?

I was planning to c/r AI on the turn but he didn't bet. Whays your standard turn line against a full stack?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($208.85)
UTG ($188.06)
MP ($118.02)
CO ($0)
Button ($522.24)
SB ($26)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($31) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $25, MP calls $25.

Turn: ($81) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($81) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $55, MP raises A1 ($80), Hero calls $24.02.

Final Pot: $160.02
07-13-2006, 05:48 AM
aislephive

Reraise more preflop, everything else seems ok.
07-13-2006, 06:17 AM
Irisheyes

Or like this? What do I do here?

edit: not the same villian as hand 1. Assume just an average player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($195)
UTG ($59.15)
Hero ($246.27)
CO ($432.45)
Button ($231.60)
SB ($192)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($24) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20, SB folds, BB calls $20.

Turn: ($64) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???
07-13-2006, 08:27 AM
Robert

Hand 1: turn is fine, I see no reason to bet here. On the river you seem very beaten but I cant find a fold with the odds you are getting on a call. Btw, reraise more prf (to about 15 or something).

Hand 2: Mostly I go into c/f mode here, but sometimes I fire a 2nd barrel
07-13-2006, 11:06 AM
ihategnomes

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Btw, reraise more prf (to about 15 or something).

Why? What does 2 more dollars do? Isnt 3x the original raise standard?

Hand 2: I would just bet the turn, if he get raised we can fold. Middle pairs can look you up and there is no reason to give overcards more chances to hit.
07-13-2006, 11:24 AM
dsaxton

Hand 2, what worse hands call a bet on the turn, and what better hands that call a pot-sized bet on the flop fold? I really see no point in betting. Also, I wouldn't bet quite as much on the flop. Your opponents either missed completely or aren't folding more often when you bet full pot than when you bet slightly less. Basically, I dont' think it's necessary to risk a pot-sized bet just for the sake of winning the pot.

Plus, against an unknown, you're being slow-played a high percentage of the time. This is an easy check behind.
07-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

Hand 2, what worse hands call a bet on the turn, and what better hands that call a pot-sized bet on the flop fold? I really see no point in betting. Also, I wouldn't bet quite as much on the flop. Your opponents either missed completely or aren't folding more often when you bet full pot than when you bet slightly less. Basically, I dont' think it's necessary to risk a pot-sized bet just for the sake of winning the pot.

Plus, against an unknown, you're being slow-played a high percentage of the time. This is an easy check behind.

I agree. So what do I do when the river comes a 2c and he bets half pot into me?

Also how does this situation change (if at all) when I have JJ on the same board?
07-13-2006, 02:23 PM
Miffed22001

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Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Hand 2, what worse hands call a bet on the turn, and what better hands that call a pot-sized bet on the flop fold? I really see no point in betting. Also, I wouldn't bet quite as much on the flop. Your opponents either missed completely or aren't folding more often when you bet full pot than when you bet slightly less. Basically, I dont' think it's necessary to risk a pot-sized bet just for the sake of winning the pot.

Plus, against an unknown, you're being slow-played a high percentage of the time. This is an easy check behind.

I agree. So what do I do when the river comes a 2c and he bets half pot into me?

Also how does this situation change (if at all) when I have JJ on the same board?

In hand 2 how often does he expect you to have a queen here an bet another street. Youll fold a lot of hands that you dont want to show down against imo. Fold to a raise, but play a queen like this and it get fun.
07-13-2006, 04:22 PM
Irisheyes

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Hand 2, what worse hands call a bet on the turn, and what better hands that call a pot-sized bet on the flop fold? I really see no point in betting. Also, I wouldn't bet quite as much on the flop. Your opponents either missed completely or aren't folding more often when you bet full pot than when you bet slightly less. Basically, I dont' think it's necessary to risk a pot-sized bet just for the sake of winning the pot.

Plus, against an unknown, you're being slow-played a high percentage of the time. This is an easy check behind.

I agree. So what do I do when the river comes a 2c and he bets half pot into me?

Also how does this situation change (if at all) when I have JJ on the same board?

In hand 2 how often does he expect you to have a queen here an bet another street. Youll fold a lot of hands that you dont want to show down against imo. Fold to a raise, but play a queen like this and it get fun.

Could you say that again please I don't understand what you mean.

(English major??) :roll:
07-13-2006, 06:11 PM
Miffed22001

lol typos

If we have a queen we bet both streets. If we dont we check behind and then prob have to call a river bet.
If we thus bet the turn opp needs to raise to tell us we are beat but may fold a number of 2nd best hands (that may beat us) that he considers good in this spot, including an 8.
Even if a queen plays it real slow and c/c's we are again in position to analyse teh river play, which includes checking behind.
Imo, checkng teh turn only works effectivly if youll do it with AQ/KQ type hands in other situations and raise the river when opp bets oop (hopefully) That will also open up a bluff line for us too in other situations, ie. bet check raise value river bet with nothing and hope to not showdown and steal.