AK river fold

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07-14-2006, 02:55 AM
Rockymv

AK river fold

Villian is 30/5

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($43.93)
MP2 ($70.38)
MP3 ($62.41)
CO ($96.35)
Button ($58.35)
SB ($90.50)
Hero ($97)
UTG ($109.50)
UTG+1 ($69.44)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 6 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG+1 calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $14, UTG+1 calls $14.

River: ($48.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $68.50
07-14-2006, 03:02 AM
Warpe

I think you're getting gun shy.
07-14-2006, 03:11 AM
bdawg56kg

Gross. Easy call on river. I'd prefer betting out 20 instead of c/c here. A weaker ace is not guaranteed to bet, but will certainly call a bet, and it's an easy fold if you are raised.
07-14-2006, 03:31 AM
freechus9

What are you doing on that river...
07-14-2006, 05:27 AM
ensign_lee

Why did you check that river? He's doing exactly what you want done.

You should have bet that $20. Never should have folded. WTF?!?!
07-14-2006, 12:43 PM
Rockymv

I'm confused as to why this is such an easy call. His PFR is 5%. That's 99+, AQ+, or maybe TT+, AJ+ for someone like him. Plus this is a UTG+1 raise. What am I hoping he has? Basically AJ, KK, JJ. I doubt he'd call that turn with JJ. So AJ or KK. And I assume some of the time he's getting away from KK before the river. So basically I'm praying he has AJ. He's a loose/passive player, so if he has a set or two pair, he's more than likely not raising before the river. I don't know...I think I still like check/folding this river.

Please tell what's wrong with my reasoning.
07-14-2006, 12:50 PM
Miffed22001

which street did u raise on because i dont see it?
07-14-2006, 12:56 PM
Rockymv

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

which street did u raise on because i dont see it?

He raised PF.
07-14-2006, 01:03 PM
zook

How many hands do you have on this guy? The passive post-flop read is important... is he also weak/tight post-flop though? I mean, does calling indicate strength or has he called down with bad hands? I tend to agree with the hand range you put him on, so if you're confident in your read I guess you can find a fold here. My first reaction was the same as Warpe's though. Against this type of opponent I only bet $10 on the turn.
07-14-2006, 01:21 PM
Rockymv

about 200 hands. his flop and turn aggression numbers were fairly low.

my main point is this: think about the range of hands he's raising PF from UTG+1. how many of these am i beating by the river?
07-14-2006, 01:34 PM
Warpe

I don't disagree with your read, but for $20 to win $88.50 I'm finding out if it's right.
07-14-2006, 02:03 PM
a500lbgorilla

why did you lead the flop? against this guy, seems like lots of hands want to cbet this flop and lots of them dont mind the pot getting messy.
07-14-2006, 02:04 PM
Warpe

Also...a reraise preflop would solve alot of problems here.
07-14-2006, 02:06 PM
Rockymv

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

why did you lead the flop? against this guy, seems like lots of hands want to cbet this flop and lots of them dont mind the pot getting messy.

so would c/c, lead turn be better?
07-14-2006, 02:09 PM
Rockymv

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Originally Posted by Warpe

I don't disagree with your read, but for $20 to win $88.50 I'm finding out if it's right.

good point.
07-14-2006, 02:15 PM
a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

why did you lead the flop? against this guy, seems like lots of hands want to cbet this flop and lots of them dont mind the pot getting messy.

so would c/c, lead turn be better?

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i dont understand what you're thinking in this hand but suggesting a c/c, lead line is really confusing

Given his range, you have him owned on the flop AND he's gonna cbet a lot.

Check/raise for value.
07-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Miffed22001

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He raised PF.

Exactly.
You are well ahead of his non-3bet preflop hands, so reraise preflop. If he 3 bets then we can fold more than likely.

When the flop comes we are way ahead and can play a big pot here and hope we dont get sucked out on on later streets (which probably happened)
If there was ever a place to c/r a taggy player then this is it if you dont reraise preflop. For that matter if you reraise preflop too...
07-14-2006, 04:11 PM
Rockymv

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

why did you lead the flop? against this guy, seems like lots of hands want to cbet this flop and lots of them dont mind the pot getting messy.

so would c/c, lead turn be better?

??????????????????????????????

i dont understand what you're thinking in this hand but suggesting a c/c, lead line is really confusing

Given his range, you have him owned on the flop AND he's gonna cbet a lot.

Check/raise for value.

That's true I guess. I was just thinking that a c/r on the flop folds out all hands that I beat and could get more than one bet out of if I played it differently. If I c/c flop and lead the turn I almost always get another bet out of AQ and AJ.
07-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Warpe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockymv

I was just thinking that a c/r on the flop folds out all hands that I beat and could get more than one bet out of if I played it differently.

I'd like this line of thinking with a stronger hand.
07-14-2006, 05:19 PM
a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

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Originally Posted by Rockymv

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

why did you lead the flop? against this guy, seems like lots of hands want to cbet this flop and lots of them dont mind the pot getting messy.

so would c/c, lead turn be better?

??????????????????????????????

i dont understand what you're thinking in this hand but suggesting a c/c, lead line is really confusing

Given his range, you have him owned on the flop AND he's gonna cbet a lot.

Check/raise for value.

That's true I guess. I was just thinking that a c/r on the flop folds out all hands that I beat and could get more than one bet out of if I played it differently. If I c/c flop and lead the turn I almost always get another bet out of AQ and AJ.

i think you're giving your opponents way too much credit for being able to get away from hands. All you need is a nice steady dose of people making wierd calls and you'll get your barring back.