Newbie advice - PS, $5 - KK on button

First attempt at posting a hand history, so please bear with me. Feel free to comment on any info I should eliminate or forgot to post. Early in the tournament, I believe it was $5/27 people. I had watched UTG call/raise holding odd cards earlier so I pegged him as very loose.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t2330)
CO (t3030)
Hero (t1825)
SB (t1040)
BB (t1425)
UTG (t1580)
UTG+1 (t1040)
MP1 (t1230)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, CO calls t50, Hero raises to t250, 1 fold, BB calls t200, UTG calls t200, MP1 folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t875) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t1575 (All-In), BB folds, UTG calls t1330 (All-In).

Turn: (t3780) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3780) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3780

Looks good to me, I play it the same. Let me guess, QJ or flopped flush?

A very minor point, and I doubt it would have made a difference in this case, is that I would have raised a bit more preflop. A good formula is 3x BB plus 1x BB for each limper, so in this case I would make it 300 to go.

Looks good to me. I like the push on the flop..if he flopped a flush, then good for him :lol: nh

I would make a single bet of 50 chips on that flop to see where I am at, if he moves all-in I can get away, if he just calls, hes on a draw and I can then move all-in on the turn, this also gives the fish less hope to catch his draw on the last card, fish tend to live and die for draws and dont get away from them on the flop but do it on missed turns.

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Originally Posted by soft

I would make a single bet of 50 chips on that flop to see where I am at, if he moves all-in I can get away, if he just calls, hes on a draw and I can then move all-in on the turn, this also gives the fish less hope to catch his draw on the last card, fish tend to live and die for draws and dont get away from them on the flop but do it on missed turns.

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I disagree with this for a number of reasons:

- If opp has the A:spade: or something like T9, why give them almost 20:1 odds to call your minbet, hit their draw on the turn and beat you? Sure, they may not take all your chips but the pot will be half your stack at that point.
- If opp has something like AQ (without the A:spade:) or, particularly at the lower levels, even AJ or A3, and pushes, you would be folding the best hand so your minbet would give you no information.
- If opp flopped the flush and just flat called, you're losing all your money on the turn anyway, so your minbet doesn't help you there.
- If opp has something like Ax (no spades), he can correctly call the flop minbet. If an A comes on the turn, you push, he calls and you're beat. On a board like that opps might fold to a push.

Minbetting is almost always horrible. Don't do it.

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Originally Posted by soft

I would make a single bet of 50 chips on that flop to see where I am at

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no no no

Guys, is a c-bet completely out of the question here?

Not 50 obviously but 350-400?

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Originally Posted by taipan168

Looks good to me, I play it the same. Let me guess, QJ or flopped flush?

A very minor point, and I doubt it would have made a difference in this case, is that I would have raised a bit more preflop. A good formula is 3x BB plus 1x BB for each limper, so in this case I would make it 300 to go.

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I agree that the preflop raise is not enough, and it's not so minor of a point. I'd be more inclined to raise to 350, but 300 is fine.

Also, FWIW Your hand is actually aheadd of QJ here:

Board: Qs Js 3s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 52.7273 % 52.73% 00.00% { KhKs }
Hand 2: 47.2727 % 47.27% 00.00% { QJs, QJo }